__________________ Land of the free, home of the brave...
Do you think we will ever be saved?
In this land of dreams find myself sober...
Wonder when will it'll all be over...
Living in a void when the void grows colder...
Wonder when it'll all be over?
Will you be laughing when it's over?
__________________ Land of the free, home of the brave...
Do you think we will ever be saved?
In this land of dreams find myself sober...
Wonder when will it'll all be over...
Living in a void when the void grows colder...
Wonder when it'll all be over?
Will you be laughing when it's over?
__________________ Land of the free, home of the brave...
Do you think we will ever be saved?
In this land of dreams find myself sober...
Wonder when will it'll all be over...
Living in a void when the void grows colder...
Wonder when it'll all be over?
Will you be laughing when it's over?
First of all in response to white shadow and darth jello. I'm sorry on behalf of my ministry VO. For in anyway offending you both. But I have been a part of this ministry for over 20 years. I have served from a regular member to a leader and never I repeat never has our ministry in any way been under investigation for these silly accusations such as KIDNAPPINS! Stop it. Please your remarks are as extreme as the allegations you are bringing against the Church that has literally helped 4 generations of hurting people in my family. Please let us reason with one another. Before such harmful allegations. Your friend in Christ . VO 4 Life
The next Jonestown/Heaven's Gate incident is gonna be caused by an organiztion like VO. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was VO itself.
About that mega-church nutcase in the Phillipines who claims to be Jesus incarnate; I wonder if he honestly believes he's god or if he's just a lying con artist putting on a show. And even then, I can't decide which is worse.
That is true there are some stuff that I use to do even after we leave the cult.The cult however Shakyamunison was called the People of Hope and it is in NJ and is known for its brainwashing and stealing people's money.
bettymrc I have been informed that in a victory outreach womans rehab. if a woman deceides to leave, she has to make her own way to safety;and in no uncertain terms that she is escorted form the rehab to safety';one case was a woman who came from another country desired to leave a rehab home in ireland, the rehab was situated in the country side and the young woman left and there was no record of her getting to a safe place;
I went to V.O, when I felt lost. I found that they took adavantage of me in every way possible. From the free rides to labor to money they are a cult to say the least. I went on a trip to the beach where they were supposed to burn everything that was "worldly" to them. I loaded my van with about 6 huge tables and supplies and drove to the beach at 9am, they are slavedrivers not followers of Christ.. After 7 or 8 hours they still refused to feed us, I had to borrow money to eat, and I shared with my fellow starving slaves. They knew I had a sleeping -disorder, but when I asked to leave they acted like a-holes. They all are a bunch of fools and losers who think they can free-stlye flow. Oh ya, they sink so low as to try and infiltrate all the young or knew cool people by way of mind control. They are nice to certain people so that they might join and recruit their friends.I'v heard them talk wierd things, they are very controling. I was really trying to fing god and do my mission to spread the gospel until christ returns. V.O. exploits people,the administration know's who they are. Its a business, they wont truly help you. They wont baptize people unless you pay them enough money.
Lets assume Victory Outreach is really bad. Can you also assume that there are caring persons in the same bunch? Can there be good and evil in the same church? Can their be controlling leaders and mature spiritual leaders in the same church? Everything I read here is black and white thinking, but nothing in between. I think it was to God's girl in the topix thread ( a few years back). VO is not perfect.
If you find a perfect church then call me so we can tell others. During my years as a Christian I have friends that are Baptist, Pentecostal, Nazarene, Mennonite pastors, and a few others. Each pastor would tell me how dsyfunctional their peers were. I have talked to VO pastors who agree their needs to be alot of growing up within the VO church.
Now what? Assume they stop being controlling? Assume they stop talking with a military tone. Would you all join VO? The topic of homosexuality is not exclusive to VO. And that topic is a topic all within its own right. Here is a piece to chew on. In the Bible when Christ went to a wedding did he go to a hetrosexual wedding or gay wedding? In the book of John when Christ is talking about heaven and how he will return, he is using words associated with marriage. The church is called the bride of Christ because Christ himself used that image.
Back track a little to Genesis - Jewish history - The people wanted to be united (one) with God. Hebrew word for one is echad.
God is one (echad), in a wedding two become one(echad) flesh. Adam and Eve felt no shame when they were echad. Naked, to be real, to be accepted unconditionally is echad union with God. Jesus affirms marriage in Luke "the people of this age marry and are given in marriage. In Matthew 19 Jesus affirms the echad that is first mentioned in Genesis "What God has joined together let no one seperate". Wedding celebrations for the married couple consists of sex and food(dinner). In the book of Revelations the world ends with a dinner to celebrate Christ and his spiritual bride (the church). The Jewish readers knew this echad language, knew how they celebrated a wedding; celebration of echad. Christ knew a man and a woman were to marry, there for Christ knew and affirmed what God had echad in Genesis. I hope that gives you some thoughts. If you hate this message, don't hate the messenger, but the author.
Kind thoughts to everyone that was mistreated by any church.
I'm disappointed to see so much "VO" bashing going on. My dad is a Pastor in victory outreach and my personal experience easiliy refutes every negative thing stated in this post. My Dad has given more of his time and money to the church than anyone else I know. He never complains but exemplifies the sacrificial love of Christ when it comes to giving in any way. In every church there are going to be some who have negative experiences but that cannot be said for every individual. There will never be a perfect church. No matter where you go there will be something or someone you disagree with based upon your upbringing and personal convictions.
I say, instead of bashing on other believers and churches lets encourage the good they're doing and win the world together for Christ! The enemy wants us all divided. Lets not give him such an easy victory!
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Feb 9th, 2010 04:18 PM
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