Very well I shall start the Exar Kun discussion by stating what we know about him and we will go from there.
He was a lightsaber prodigy, he defeated his master as padawan just after dueling Sylvar,Crado and after losing the first part of the duel against Vodo. In the duel he managed to break Vodo's staff which the narrator states (in the first part of the duel) by using the force Vodo can make it "more powerful then Kun's lightsaber" Vodo also says that Kun is his "most formidable student" he has ever had. I believe Vodo was about 400 years old and Kun notes his master has been "respected for centuries," thus indicating the amount of time Vodo has been part of the order. Ulic Qel Droma (who he himself was extremely gifted in lightsaber combat) could not gain the upper hand in their duel before it was interrupted.
Now in regards to his double bladed saber. While there is some controversy going on if he invented it by himself, we do know that no one else since him used a single bladed hilt and unlike any other dbl, his was also a dual phase lightsaber. Regardless if he did create the dbl, he style imo was still unique compared to others dbl wielders for the reasons mentioned above.
He also seems to be somewhat physically strong too as he was able to after repeated hits from his lightsaber to cut through mandalorian iron and he lifted the republic's chancellor into the air with one arm.
Kun was also powerful in the force. He is gifted in sith alchemy and created numerous types of beasts such as terentateks. He was able to drain the life force out of the massassi race so he can escape death. He can obviously use his amulet( aka force blasts) to destroy anything in his path.
He was able to freeze the entire Galactic Senate. He is also gifted in sith magic as he was not only able to resist Aleema Keto's "force blast" (name given to the attack by wookieepedia) and returned the favor with his own force blast. Kun was able to resist Odan-Urr's wall of light technique which the latter used effectively on ancient sith. and kill him with a waive of his hand. There is also a quote in JvS (I don't have access to it right now) that refers to the wall of light technique as the most devastating attack to use on a dark sider (or something similar to that.)
At this point I would also like to say that according to the wookieepedia page on force blasts it seems that the attack Kun used on Nadd's spirit is the same used on Aleema but it says that the Amulet's actually enhance the power of the blast (and thus arguably control the magnitude of the blast which would explain the discrepancy seen when he uses the attack on the sith wyrm,the massassi, and Nadd's spirit when compared to the blast he hit Aleema with) , so I am willing to be that Kun could also do it without the amulet.
It also seems that Kun can use another type of force lightning (called Ebony lightning in the JA series) which from the description of it seems to be different then the normal force lightning. I can provide descriptions of it, if anyone wants to see it and offer an opinion on it which I am interested in.
Force feats as spirit:
As a spirit he simultaneously force choke about 12 of Luke's students all at once. He can creates illusions as he did to Luke and Corran, and he also broke a couple of Corran's bones in a confrontation in the I,Jedi novel. He was able to kill Gantoris from the inside out presumably with sith lightning. He was also able to separate Luke's "spirit" from his body. If it were not for him aiding Kyp Durron, then he latter would never had been able to drag the sun crusher out of Yavin.
I also remember hearing something about his armor that he wore,which is able to turn off or short circuit(momentarily I believe) an opponent's lightsaber.
Last edited by Elite Hunter on Nov 4th, 2008 at 02:11 AM
K so this has died off almost absolutely now and even though if we were to continue where we left off we'd be discussing kun but I'd like to propose we postpon him and talk about Galen Marek (starkiller).
I seem him as overpowered in everyway and would like to get good insight from everyone here with cannon facts to back up just how pwerful he is.
He didn't tank it at all. From what I gather he was in a state of oneness in the force by opening himself completely to the force, I also believe (Gideon could check the novel) that even then he was having trouble doing it.
But while we are discussing Galen, I would like to know where the idea that Galen "sucked" with a lightsaber came from.
The novel makes it explicitly clear that when Darth Sidious electrocuted Galen Marek, the pain was immeasurable:
"Without hesitation, he stepped between Kota and the Emperor, taking the full brunt of the Sith lightning into his own body. The pain was incredible, searing every nerve back to its individual cells, skewering each of them on white-hot needles. He had never before felt anything like this. He wanted to recoil from the source, to curl into a ball and let unconsciousness take the pain away, but somehow he stayed standing, seeing the world through a crackling blue light, and even took a step toward the Emperor."
I think we should discuss Marek's skill with a lightsaber which I believe (I haven't read the book yet) that some members here underrate due their feelings of his "over the top" displays with the force, I'm not saying had the skills of Anakin Skywalker or Count Dooku but I believe he is more skilled then he is given credit for. (once again keep in mind I haven't read the book)
Last edited by Elite Hunter on Dec 28th, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Galen's swordsmanship can be discussed at a later time. As it stands, there is no compelling evidence to confirm that he's a truly gifted duelist, though common sense would suggest that he's hardly sub-par or average.
I'm personally of the opinion that Marek and Caedus are on approximately the same level of power, with Caedus being the more advanced swordsman and having access to greater techniques.
I agree, but I'll note that I don't think Marek is, overall, comparable to Caedus as a combatant, at least on paper. He's less experienced, less intelligent, not nearly as accomplished a swordsman, probably not more powerful, and not remotely as well-versed in the more arcane uses of the Force.
Personally, I think Caedus would hand him his ass in a fight.
Then again, Darth Vader superior intelligence, experience, and knowledge of the Force in his favor as well, and it didn't stop Marek from defeating in him in combat.
I think that was what made Marek so dangerous. For what little he knew, he excelled in. Based on what we have seen, Marek's core Force abilities are considerably superior to Caedus's own.
Caedus is faster, more powerful, and more knowledgeable than Vader, too. It also helps that he can take hits like pretty much no other; a wound that completely incapacitated Starkiller barely even slowed Caedus down.
Of course, in SW, things don't often go down as they should. Shaak Ti managed to outduel Starkiller, Mara Jade managed to get within an inch of killing Jacen, and Lumiya - a cyborg of no notable power - managed to sever Luke Skywalker's hand.
Well, we have an OOU source telling us that Caedus is more powerful than Vader, so at the very least he's comparable to Starkiller in overall power.
And I want to point out a finding of mine that all but debunks Nebaris's retarded notion that molecular manipulations are an indication of peerless mastery. According to the Essential Guide to the Force, Vergere's technique of "making herself small" (which also produced antitoxins to Mara Jade Skywalker's coomb spore infection is a technique that allows a Force user to manipulate and alter things at a molecular level.
So, I guess by his reckoning, Vergere is on par with Bane.
Nov 4th, 2008 02:01 AM
