Yeah well I suck. Others do not have the same excuse. Besides, sometimes it does work. But not times like "Oh but he loses to Batman. Since Batman has no powers, Clayman sucks for losing to him" [Just one example but you get my point ] An example of when A>B>C would work would be "Well, Superman could defeat him, so obviously Superman Prime would be able to"
But out of curiosity, when have I used A>B>C logic?
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Let me start off by saying that the level of ignorance to comics is astounding. Any Spidey wins over Sandman is PIS or a result of exploiting the surrounding area, similar to how I think gaara would this fight. Spiderman would never have a chance against Sandman in a straight up fight and so using his fights as a basis for Sandman's defeat is just ridiculous.
Second, Spiderman has been proven to have reactive speed far superior to bullets. He does not rely on just his spidey sense. I have the scans coming out of my ass to prove it. Spiderman would wreck Rock Lee even if he used the gates and that's all there is to it.
You said yourself that it was more of a large town. A large town and a city are essentially the same thing. This is semantics...
Agreed. That explosion looks large enough to encompass at least multiple blocks though.
Thin is a relative term.
And that puts it above a bomb that could potentially vaporize multiple city blocks, how?
My point was that all of that sand that Gaara used to stop the bomb was spread over a large surface area. The larger the surface area of an object is, the more strain will be put upon it in certain spots, mostly the middle (Think of a wooden board bending in the middle under weight or standing in the middle of a trampoline .). So if instead of spreading the sand outwards Gaara could actually use less sand and create a smaller surface area, instead just layering it in front of him, and that would actually increase the strength of the sand shield. Less sand being used equals less chakra utilized. Do you get what I'm saying?
This would be the winning factor in Sandman's favor above everything else.
Doesn't mean he can't. He's never fought someone with such strength before though. You've already said that in vs. fights it's standard that both fighters know of the others potential. So I don't see why he couldn't erect (hee-hee) a shield like that. And I'm still not entirely convinced that Sandman could go right through his regular sand also. It'd be nice if someone could post some Sandman scans. It's blasphemy and all around gay that he doesn't have a respect thread since he's one of Spidey's better villains.
Meh. Agreed. It would be impracticable. Thus, the last few paragraphs of my argument have been rendered irrelevant. Damn it.
I disagree. I see the scan and it looks larger. More like the size of a large football stadium imo.
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So if he is literally made of nothing but sand then why can't Gaara control him with his chakra? At that point it's not just a fight for control of his sand but for his own sand being.
If I was asked the question, I would say that it is because Gaara's sand is not ordinary sand, but sand that is enhanced with his chakra and Shukaku's special chakra.
Because a large enough object made of sand would collapse upon itself...
Gaara, unlike Sandman, does not have to be "in contact" with sand at all to control it, because he is not controlling ti with himself but with chakra. It's like how a ninja can use a water jutsu like a water dragon, even if they're not touching the water. If Gaara can use the surrounding deserts sand while floating hundreds of feet above it, he can probably do it while hovering above water as well.
Proof?
Really? Last I checked Gaara made a cloud to float on that was just barely large enough to hold him and Lee. That being said, he could probably make one just large enough for himself as well. But just for more laughs. Instead of making a floating pedestal, how about Gaara just uses the universal shinobi ability to walk on water and stands out in the water? Another option. The whole "beach" thing makes this whole scenario kind of gay. It's like having Charmander fight in the middle of the pacific.
Well (Blaxican going out on a limb), the human body itself holds literally gallons of water between he blood and other parts of your body. Gaara crushes people until they are, literally dust, which would mean that all of the fluids and bloods (His sand is stated to be soaked with blood) would be mixed in with his sand... which would mean until the liquids dry his sand is quite wet. There is no slow down or extra effort needed to use the sand. Gaara uses his chakra to summon minerals from deep within the earth and crushes rocks into sand for his own use. I don't see why using sand that is wet would be a problem.
This would only be important if Gaara was trying to create something or make a solid object, which is why Sandman get's ****ed up by it so much. If all you're doing is picking it up and hurling it the compoisiton of the sand is irrelevant. You can pick up a glop of mud ad throw it. Good luck trying to make a sand castle out of it though.
Proof?
Sandman can't use mud because he uses sand by turning it into solid objects. Gaara is not confined to that, though.
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Really? So that's why he manages to avoid all sorts of stuff even after it's been fired. I won't waste my time creating a new argument for you. So instead I'll just use the same argument I use all the time... that has yet to be truly defeated ( I crushed a poor gal in a Spidey vs. Kidomaru thread).
Dodges duel wielded shotgun fire. Keep in mind that Shotgun shells disperse when they're fired. They spread out. So by the time the shells reach Spidey one can argue that the spread of the shells would equal that of those webs. Also keep in mind that the guy is firing two shotguns, so the air is literally swarmed with bullets: http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/...38speed2po0.jpg
Dodges a bullet fired at him from behind (Sharingan would fail epically at this. Sawsgay would get WTFpwned by two black kids in Harlem robbing a store with 9 MM pistols): http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/...edskillswn2.jpg
More good reaction time. A man with a gun pulls the trigger, then after he pulls the trigger Spidey raises his hand and fires a sling of web that covers up the barrel before the bullet can even leave the muzzle. This speaks for both his own reaction time, and the speed of hsi webbing. Essentially, his webbing >>>> bullets in speed.: http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/...at8speedng9.jpg
Again. A man pulls the trigger of his sniper rifle, and after he pulls the trigger and shoots the bullet Spidey jumps forward and tackles a girl out of the way. Spidey's speed >>> a sniper rifle round. http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...t16speedrm0.jpg
Spidey's movement and reaction speed are all far greater then anyone in Naruto. I'm willing t bet.
Razor, read above and learn. Show me proof that Rock Lee can even hope to move at these speeds.
So would that make Lee only mid or low street in comics? Because I'm sure more than just Batman in high street has dodged machine gun fire. And I know Batman has dodged a sniper rifle after it was fired.
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1. Well IMO a large town is not as big as a city...I could be wrong about that though.
2. I'll give you that.
3. True, but IMO it was not that thin. Since I concede that the blast was a little bigger than I thought, that means the shield was even bigger.
4. It doesn't. Not like Gaara could use such a shield practically anyway. It took up all of Gaara's attention and it takes alot of chakra to mantain.
5. Yes I get what you are saying Assklown, but like I said such a large shield and mantaining such a shield against Sandman's assault is not practical.
6. ...Well yeah. Gaara's stamina unlike Sandman's is not limitless.
7. Yeah...I actually have no scans of Sandman at all. If it ain't Pyron, Saint of Killers, PR Beyonder, or Superman Prime, I probably will not be able to get scans of them. But Sandman IS physically stronger than Naruto's strongest, and Rock Lee without the Gates was able to break the sand, if only slightly. Sandman is like 70 times stronger than Rock Lee, and that's not counting when he condenses his fists. Seriously though, that's some ol' bullshit, Sandman is fvckin awesome and needs his own respect thread.
8. LOL I WIN AGAIN! Wut do I get this time?
9. Not IMO, the building tight by it doesn't look that big, I might be wrong though, maybe like a football field in diameter.
10. That's bullshit. I did her hundreds of times. How about an all nighter with...[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Your cousin
11. Here is the thing, Gaara controls non-moving, non-living sand which cannot move of its own accord, the same cannot be said for Sandman.
12. Exactly, hence why I think nether could control eachother's personal sand. ^_^
13. Logically it should. But Sandman is not the same. He controls every particle of sand.
14. True, and doing so will be draining more and more chakra. Stamina is a factor for Gaara in this fight. And besides, what will sand attacks do to Sandman?
15. ...You want PROOF that sand is solid?
Dude...Come on.
16. Then Sandman flies up and turns solid above Gaara and pushes him off as he falls. As for standing in the water, great, another way to consume chakra. Although a better option than the floating sand pedestal. But it will still slowly drain his chakra along with the armor of sand and his massive sand attacks. Also, why will Sandman let Gaara just go over there? Gaara is SLOOOOOOOOOOW, probably the slowest in the series.
17. Hmmm...Maybe, although the Sand Burial also crushes at such speeds that it probably does not get as drenched as sand from underwater would be IMO.
18. True...Although this raises the question of why Sandman cannot just move out of the way.
19. What I meant is because its composition is weak it would fall apart easily.
20. I give you that.
21. Nah ah, it is earth that is wet, not just sand. Get yo facts straight nigga.
Dude u know rock moves that fast in canon too so get of your horse. I'm still baffled by how fast you people think spider-man moves. If anything spider-man has reaction speed his battle speed is nothing special.
Its one of the 50 retarded filler episodes, the guy saying he moves faster than sound means about as much as you saying it. I also doubt any one thinks spider-man is that fast you just have some weird logic going on that you have to be faster than Lee to beat Gaara.
Uh Gaara wasn't in the equation. Have you read the thread at all? I already said sandman beats Gaara(non Shukaku). This is just a Rock/Spidey thing. Trust me people think spider-man does a lot of things he doesn't.
Infact i wouldn't be surprised if they thought he could dodge an assault by Flash. When comic fans come over to the anime/manga board not a single anime/manga character can beat the heroes they like. Heck in the vs thread Klown says a fight between Naruto and Robin would be tough to call. Are you kidding me?
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Lee has punched trees in half and ripped a tree root out of the ground.. And we're talking tree roots on steroids. (please log in to view the image)
Hell, calcs for Lee's leg weights alone are usually in excess of one ton.
Shit, Naruto at his regular PTS levels could overpower a 20-foot tall snake.
It should also be noted that Tsunade uses her chakra control to produce the devastation of her fists - it's not raw lifting power and strength. This means she essentially "punched" Bunta's knife dozens of feet into the air. 50 tons is a low estimate for the weight BTW.
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] An example of when A>B>C would work would be "Well, Superman could defeat him, so obviously Superman Prime would be able to" 
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