Oh I know.
I was a long supporter of the lift argument too as this debate has been going on, in my personal experience, around 2-3 years.
I just think it's a better feat that she somehow hit the thing that high.
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Haku at first would have been. But he was also weakened from the fact that he was using up a lot of chakra and was getting slower. Sasuke was able to tag him because of this, and was able to get in front of Naruto because of this. Haku was hardly at full speed when Kyuubi emerged.
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I think it would be more impressive jumping with that thing that high. Though lifting it means she had to have grabbed the blade part first to uproot it then grab the handle.
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I like how your bringing up the top tier characters when we're talking about spider-man. Unless your actually putting him on said characters league. Both manga and comics have characters like that but they aren't usually the ones in question. Or if they are then it's usually a good match up from what I've seen on this board.
et somehow manga characters can never win and a lot of times it seems more like hate for the genre and people from other boards coming over to spread it. If you even bring a manga characters name up in the comic book thread the amount of negative comments that come after is funny.
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I love how you bring up bias and unfairness yet have still failed to even address the list of feats I've already laid out for you. I'm going to lay out the facts for you now.
Fact 1: There is no canon source that claims Rock Lee can move even close to the speed of sound.
Fact 2 : Bullets move faster then sound. This why the saying "You never hear the bullet that kills you" was created.
Fact 3: Spiderman has dodged bullets numerous times.
Fact 4: Spiderman has dodged bullets even after they have been fired. This is proof that he does not always rely on his spider sense to dodge a bullet, but relies on his sheer superhuman reflexes. Unlike Batman, he has done this frequently enough for it to not be considered PIS.
Conclusion 1: Spiderman's reflexes are superior the speed of a bullet. Bullet's move faster then sound, so it is not above possibility for Spiderman to move and react faster then sound.
Conclusion 2: Rock Lee has never canonically shown the ability to move this fast, even with the gates. No Naruto character that I can think of has, outside of using a teleportation-esque jutsu like the body flicker.
Final Conclusion: Spiderman moves faster then Rock Lee, even with the gates opened.
Thus, Spiderman would wreck Rock Lee. If anyone has shown to be biased or a fanboy here, it is you. At least others have brought actual proof. The only thing you've brought to the table is non-canon showings and complaints. You're "argument", if you even all it that, is at best irritating. That is not a compliment.
Can you please tell me why you use something(bullets) that isn't a common factor for both characters? Yet you've also come to the conclusion of how fast things move in Naruto?
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Because bullets have a quantifiable speed that one can use to in turn quantify the speed of a character. Bullets move at speed X. So if a character can move faster then a bullet, then he moves faster then speed X. If a character does not move faster then a bullet, then he is slower then speed X. It's very simple.
And you're dodging my point. Razor, show me proof that Rock Lee can move faster the sound. The burden of proof is on you, so do it or concede the point.
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No such thing as sharingan forsight. The Sharingan can only foretell what it physically sees, what the user is looking at. It is not like the force in that it can generally see into the future. Spider sense can, though. Spidersense is superior to the sharingan in every way.
Irrelevant because Itachi didn't summon Susanno until after Sawsgay used the attack. He stood doing nothing until the attack was used, then summoned.
Wouldn't matter. A milisecond before Sawsgay used the attack SPidey's spidersense would go off and by the time the attack was made and the lightning came down Peter would no longer be in that spot.
Depends..Kakashi was said to have cut a lightning bolt by Gai. Granted Kakashi > Lee and that its never seen happen but I doubt Gai would lie about his rival. And running they can get to a different dountry in 3 days. Also says a bit about stamina.
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Can the Spidey sense actually tell an opponetn what attacks to use? Kakashi did that with his when he fought Zabuza.
Plus Sharingan produces big black flames! Spidey sense can't do that!1
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Indeed. He'd be trapped in Tsukuyomi.
Yeah I'm just pulling shit out of my ass here.
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And as far as real battles are concerned, Spiderman would never let Sawsgay stand there and use an attack. As soon as Sawsgay stepped back to focus Peter would be all over him with class 20 punches. One hit, would kill him. So don't bring "real battle" physics into this...
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No he didn't. Kakashi used his sharingan to look at Zabuza's hands and, once the sharingan saw his hands they foresaw what hand signs Zabuza was going to make. Kakashi just copied his handsigns. He didn't actually foresee what attack was going to be made.Zabuza even makes note about this in their second fight. The sharingan can not actually see the future in any way.
But to answer your question, no. Spidersense can't tell what attack will be used. But it does tell him how powerful the attack is and what direction it's going to come from, before it actually happens. So if Sawsgay used Kirin Peter's spidersense would tell him that an uber powerful attack was about to be used on him, and that it was going to come from above. And this would all happen a second before the attack is actually used.
You misunderstood Blax.
What I meant was that Kakashi literally told Zabuza what attacks to use after a while. Zabuza notes that Kakashi planted hypnotic suggestions in his mind on what seals to perform and etc.
Also Jaxx, here's the vid of Tsunade and Bunta's dagger.
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Once Zabuza started to believe that Kakashi could actually see the future he started to become panicked and hysterical, at which point Kakashi just used a subtle genjutsu to create the final illusion. Zabuza was already starting to crack from the pressure and was easy to manipulate. He essentially defeated himself. Kakashi was not actually controlling him. Zabuza just lost his head. Spiderman would not, and Spidey's spidersense has been shown to break him out of illusions. So it wouldn't matter...
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