Ok I just thought you smoked an entire joint filled with just hash, in one session. That would be an intense high to say the least. I believe you that it was enjoyable, in my limited experience with hash its quite awesome.
smoked three roaches of high quality hash yestreday. but the kicker is, my friend rolled it with crack in them without telling me. smoked em all myself cause no1 would share. i was out of it for about 4 hours. the trip still hasnt gone away after 18 hours of affected time/space perception, hallucinating, near non existant pain reception etc etc. good thing i didnt freak out, it was awesome in retrospect
Try and be at least a bit geographically aware. Meth only hit the UK properly not long ago, however in the states and Canada, I'm fairly sure it's been readily available for some time.
Now here, heroin's pretty available anywhere - but I'd always question someone who's 17-18 and claims to have done it.
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Well, I personally believe that to be a load of media spin - I know plenty of people who have taken it on a recreational basis and do not suffer any mental or physical addiction. However it depends a lot on how it is taken, I know people who have smoked it and taken it in pill form, but don't know anyone who has injected it.
Also, it being "the most addictive substance" is such a silly claim to make; it's quite clear that individual differences play a key role in the power of addiction in a substance. Though if you're talking about physical addiction, I am yet to hear any such claim from a reliable source.
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I assume they use overall statistics of some sort. Just because one person might not be prone to addiction to something doesn't mean that most people aren't.
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indeed, "most addictive substance" is a very difficult, and largely empty, statement to make. For instance, research recently showed that addiction to marijuana is worse as far as withdrawl symptoms (subjectively described) than cigarettes, yet nobody would, in their right mind, claim that marijuana is as addictive as nicotine.
Like anything with drugs, the statistics can be put in different ways in order to make whatever point you want, and imho, there is a significant lack of empirical research into drugs that isn't focused on saying "this will do X to you, oooooooh scary" or "this is how to treat addiction to X". Seratonin and LSD, something that is on the cusp of neuro-chemical research, is an example of the way all drugs need to be studied, as, again imho, they offer something akin to repetable and controlled lesions, which are one of the cornerstones of brain research. As it stands now, when the Lancet, one of the world's most trusted medical journals, published independent rankings of the harms of drugs (to compare them to the classification system of the British gvt), the opinions of clinical psychologists about the harms of drugs were more important than strict neuroscientific evidence in their rankings.
lol, to rant some more, and hopefully tie this all up, saying "heroin is more addictive than meth" is largely pointless, most significantly because there is not agreement in what consitiutes "addiction" (DSM classifaction vs behavioural measures like withdrawl effects), but even further, because people use different drugs for different reasons. That most ravers have done meth in pills or at a party for a buzz is much different than those in poverty who use heroin as a form of escapism.
imho, the environment of people is far more of an influence for addiction than the chemical substance in itself.
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the argument does unfortunatly go both ways. Drug addiction can lead to poverty, even in the very wealthy (though we can chicken and egg this).
as far as crime is concerned, because drugs are legal, anyone who has to buy them are, by definition, having to deal with people who are likely involved in more criminal activities than they are. Through exposure and socail networking, it opens up many more opportunities (social opportunities at that) for criminal activity.
in the second case, drug legalization eliminates that entirely, though potentially the exposure to harder drugs might still exist. But both can be explained through social influence rather than "boogey man drugs", and let us not forget personal responsibility. I personally know lots of people who only smoke pot, and have had ample opportunity to do harder drugs.
weird thing about the media and drugs. When raves were the big "omg what is your child doing" thing, and the media began running stories about ecstacy, E use skyrocketed. People who would never smoke pot (the apparent gateway drug) were popping Es, there were even studies that showed higher E consumption than pot consumption in high school students. Same thing happened to meth. Because the media is so crazy about it, kids soon realize they are full of shit. At this point, they just totally distrust anything "adults" tell them, and E or meth become "oh, my friends do it and they are ok". In which case they are totally ignorant of the real dangers. God, I still remember Oprah going "E puts holes in your brain", and showing mri scans, as if anyone watching knows how to read an mri scan.
there are several journals dedicated to the objective research and presentation of drugs to the scientific world. I'd imagine their "results" sections to be unbiased, if their interpretations not.
but ya, I do agree. At least though, we should be focusing on biased education rather than biased lying. When kids find out their parents, the schools, and the government have been lying to them about drugs, it is really hard to get them objective information that they don't consider immediatly suspect.
Talk to ravers about the dangers of E. Apparently if you drink orange juice it is ok for you
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