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And Yoda said the size doesn't matter. You just have to think you can... and you pretty much can, which is the point, Your abilities are only as limited as your imagination and your willpower is.
I dont believe yoda was being completely honest with Luke. He had to inspire the guy, and that sometimes means telling half truths. Of course size matter (hehe, thats what she said!!!) because if it didn't, the empire would have no need for the death star. Vader or sidious would be able to throw planets into stars and crush Mon Calamari cruisers with utter ease.
Yeah, I've never bought into the whole "size matters not" crap. Taken literally, movng a planet's orbit by one's self should be a breeze.
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In the Matrix you can actually do almost whatever yo want, even reverse death. And yet... not everyone can do what Neo and Smith do, and even they don't run around blowing up cities and stuff, even though theretically they can.
I like there to be a limit. Power... unlimited power!... is to me just a means for authors and writers who want money/fame for composing a SW piece, to capitilize. And frankly, letting them do so is ruining the series, and making it boring.
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I personally feel that a limit shouldn't be capped on an energy soruce that has been stated before to be virtually limitless. The only limit I agree with is the one that's already there, the person who is wielding the energy source.
I'd be fine with that, if they established a better personal limit for people such as Luke. Once he hit the magnitude that he has, he should pull a Buddha and transcend into the Force itself.
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Dorsk 88's feat was probably the most impressive TK feat in all of star wars, and it killed him. He moved an ENTER FLEET (i think it was something like 185 Star Destroyers, don't quote me) OUT OF SOLAR SYSTEM, and disabled all of their hyperdrives all at once. That is far more impressive than any other single feat of TK... EVER. anybody have a TK feat that tops it?
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Sadly, some people in this forum refuse to acknowledge that...I think that's because it wouldn't make Palpatine look as good, and they'd have to stop masturbating to their Dark Empire copies.
it doesn't say he pulled the fleet... but we could go round and round about that. to be honest, it doesn't say he uses the force to do any such thing. It says he pulled his flagship out of a gravity well. Coulda done it another ship, and if we use Occum's Razor, then we should assume he did, because attributing a force feat for himself on that scale is assuming a lot. (but don't use Occum's Razor, because it annoys me, and often leads to false conclusions....) So lets say he did. Yes, impressive. (the fleet i'll not concede.) But Dorsk moves a fleet out of a solar system. More impressive. YEs, he's channeling others, and it kills him. So my whole point was, which i forgot to make, when i started wondering if there was a more impressive TK... was that it obviously does matter the size of the object. Dorsk reached his absolute limit on how much of the force he could use, and it killed him. He couldn't have moved more, or further, if he had wanted to. So "size matters not" is true in a way, but i think each user has their absolute capacity of the amount of the force they can channel.
I see your point. The whole "size matters not" was his whole reasoning for doing it, right? The feat itself I'd say is probably the best showing we've seen; even if he was powered-up.
As for Nihilus, the funny thing is, I was going to use Occam's razor. But we'll let that slide and ask: since Nihilus was trapped on Malachor, what could he have used to lift the Ravager into orbit? Whatever it was, it had to be done on the ground. I don't see any way for him to actually achieve his goal other than using the Force. What type of ship/machine could do that? This is confirmed by Tobin ("that is a measure of his power"), who isn't a liar and even goes so far as to explain a shitload of things in truth (he calls Kreia out on lying, knows intimate details about Nihilus' hunger, etc.)
As for his fleet, there's an interesting quote that comes from Canderous Ordo/Mandalore: "This ship is from Malachor. This Sith Lord bolsters his fleet with ships from that world...", then calls him a scavenger.
This important because it is before Tobin says a word about lifting his fleet. We know that Canderous was at the Battle of Malachor V and he identifies the Ravager and apparently other ships. So this supports Tobin's dialogue and I'd say there's no convincing evidence to the contrary.
True enough. Your post in Gideon's thread was great, btw. Very well-thought out, nicely done on that. I never even thought about Byss enhancing Sidious before.
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Sep 13th, 2008 07:16 PM
Vader himself did state that the Death Star was pathetic compared to the power of the force.
