I don't recall calling anyone an idiot or mentally retarded, so please stop trying to put words in my mouth, okay?
Dude, HE WAS THE FIRST VAMPIRE WHICH IS WHY HE HAS A BAT FORM, HE'S NOT A NEW BREED OR HYBRID!
__________________ "Major, a great writer once said; "There are clefts in the rock where we see the back part of God and tremble." There's no training for what you saw out there because it's not an enemy that confronts us. It's a new power, let loose through a crack in the cliff of nature's mystery."
Thinking back on the movie, Utrigita is most likely correct. He's not a hybrid in the sense that Michael is, since he still has his vampire weaknesses, but it was implied that the were-blood did alter him, ie "new breed" would be correct.
Edit: Markus, your homework for tonight is to re-watch Underworld 2, get to it.
I still doubt the were blood altered him. Think about it: Selene immediately knew it was him when he came to them...if he were altered and the form was new, then she wouldn't have immediately knew it was him.
The problem with this battle is if you take the fights with Michael into account. But then again that's their only common enemy fight in which anyone can draw a comparison from.
But if you go but just feats alone, I do believe that Marcus comes out on top by far. Even though he got owned at the start by Michael, he does show other impressive feats that Viktor never did. I might also add later in the movie, Marcus shows that he CAN beat Michael when he "kills" him. Marcus also has a healing factor that is unlike any other. In the truck chase scene, I lost count of how many bullets he took to the face at point blank range, yet he seemed to only be affected momentarily.
Also, if you just go along with Vampire logic alone, Marcus is older than Viktor and therefore should be stronger. Plus he is also a hydrid, which I am led to believe makes him even stronger.
Markus was affected by the vampire blood, but he's not a hybrid in the way Michael is. Whereas Michael is basically 50% vampire and 50% werewolf, Markus is around 85-90% vampire, and about 10-15% werewolf. But, one thing I must add on is that Markus caught Michael off guard when he "killed" him, and if that's any indication, Michael has the best healing factor out of any of the characters we've seen in the franchise yet. One would believe Markus is the stronger vampire because of his age, but it seems that he isn't, largely because Viktor had less problems when fighting Michael.
Just my $0.02.
__________________ "Major, a great writer once said; "There are clefts in the rock where we see the back part of God and tremble." There's no training for what you saw out there because it's not an enemy that confronts us. It's a new power, let loose through a crack in the cliff of nature's mystery."
Personally, I think that Viktor would win. Both Viktor & Markus fought Michael and from what I seen, Viktor did a better job. Even with Markus' amp, he had trouble with Michael. Viktor is a straight up Vampire and f'd Michael up. Therefore, IMO, Viktor FTW. Had Markus NOT have gotten amp'd by the Lycan blood, Viktor would easily dominate. He's just a bad mo fo. Also, Viktor did kind of punk Marcus in the beginning of UW2.
I'm sorry but anyone who thinks Viktor can beat Marcus needs a reality check. Marcus is the very first vampire and in fact he sired Viktor. Everyone knows that the older a vampire is the more powerful he or she is. Not to mention the fact that those vampires who sire others are never weaker than those they sire. I also don't remember Michael "owning" Marcus like some of you are claiming. I will watch Evolution probably in a few days to refresh my memory but I could've sworn that I remember no one besides a seriously upgraded Selene getting the better of Marcus. Marcus beats Viktor all day every day. PERIOD.
I also don't understand how anyone can think the first movie is "shitty". I friggin' loved it. Much more than the prequel "Rise of the Lycans". Evolution was ther best, imo.
The only thing that bothered me about these movies is how they broke so many of the traditional rules about vampires. Vampires are supposed to be undead. Which means their bodies are dead despite the fact that they live on. So, if their bodies are dead then how in the hell can they have sex? Let alone children like Viktor did?
In the first movie, Erica tells Selene "I seriously doubt Viktor would want you standing here freezing looking at his tomb." LOL. Again vampires have dead bodies so how in the hell could they be "freezing"?
Lastly, in the first movie, Erica looks in a mirror at her outfit and she has a reflection. LOL. Really? I mean, are these vampires or not? I'm surprised they actually had fangs and were killed by sunlight since so many other vampire rules were broken.
Despite all these minor details, I seriously loved all these movies. Some of my favorite vampire movies of all time... and I've seen quite a lot. I made this account mainly because I did a google search for marcus vs viktor and after seeing some of the ridiculous comments some people made in this thread I couldn't help replying.
Again, Marcus beats Viktor although it'd be a hell of a good fight in the end Marcus would win. I'm sure of it.
Because it specifically states in the movies that the state of Vampirism and Lycanthropy are not magical in nature in-universe, but rather it is a genetic anomaly. The Sunlight mechanic could be explained much like that in the Blade series, IE: a severe reaction to UV Radiation. it makes the resultant creature a little more scientifically plausible rather than purely mythological like the classic Vampire portrayal.
As for this matchup, I agree, Marcus would win without too much effort. The only reason Marcus allowed Viktor to get away with as much as he did, was because Vik had William as a hostage, notice that before that, Marcus was under the impression that they had a deal, and immediately after, when Marcus seemed to be contemplating ripping Vik's head off for the betrayal, the only thing that stopped him was the fact that his brother was all chained up and at Vik's mercy.
So, the vampires in the movies aren't "undead" then? They're not magical in nature but they still don't age and can live forever(immortal)? Also, have you seen the latest movie? I forgot what it's called but it happened after Evolution and it's the fourth movie as far as I know unless they've came out with another one since. I was kinda disappointed with it as it just doesn't measure up to the other ones. Anyway, in that fourth one there was a scene with Selene where she didn't show up on a video camera. I don't understand how that's possible if they're not magical in nature. How can it possibly be scientifically explained?
Good point about Viktor having William as a hostage. Also, Viktor had the loyalty of his army to back him up. In a one-on-one confrontation Marcus would be the clear winner but I don't think it would be so easy as you say.
They aren't undead. They're simply immortal as the Corvinus Strain is a virus tied to Alexander's blood that made him far more powerful than either of his sons(Markus and William). And while those 2 were originally Immortal themselves, they got bit by a wolf and a bat and became the first werewolf and vampire.
The 4th movie is Underworld: Awakening. And she probably didn't show up because she's f*cking fast as shit. Because her daughter is a Vampire/Immortal/Lycan Hybrid and shows up on camera all the time.
As for the army, they were loyal to Viktor as well as Markus, but they knew who the big boss was. They wouldn't go against him no matter what Viktor said.
And a hybrid Markus, the original vampire with thousands of years of combat under his belt and full mastery of his powers would wreck Viktor.
The only reason Viktor survived his initial fight with Michael was because he'd just transformed for the first time and seemed feral and relied only on his actual superior stats instead of skill..
In Evolution, at beginning of movie during the battle scene with Lycans (including William, himself) the army was following the orders of Viktor not Marcus. Even though Marcus was there also and was upset at what they were doing to William (his brother) it seemed clear to me that they (the army) thought Viktor was the "big boss" even though we all know he wasn't. If you remember, in that same movie, Tanis (or Tannis?) even explains to Selene how everyone was fooled into thinking Viktor was the original vampire. Not Marcus. I even remember Selene saying in the original movie that Viktor was "the oldest and strongest" of us. So, she was fooled too along with everyone else except for Marcus himself and Viktor it seems.
They followed Viktor when it came to William because everybody knew Markus would take it easy on his brother, and taking it easy meant he'd kill tons of vamps.
And I'm pretty sure Viktor only got to that point because of Markus' hibernation.
No, the film makes it pretty clear that the original Death Dealers who pursued William were vampires converted from Viktor's human army. (Which, according to Tanis, was one of the reasons Markus turned Viktor to begin with.) They turned their crossbows on Markus because their ultimate allegiance was to Viktor, not Markus. In fact, per Tanis, the only reason Markus wasn't killed outright by Viktor at that point or any other was because Viktor operated under the belief that Markus's death would bring about the extinction of every vampire he'd ever turned, including Viktor.
Star has it right here. Markus is indeed older and more powerful and would win this fight, but Viktor was politically and militarily supreme.
markus was beat by a amped selene who was older then michael and amped with corvinus blood if I remember right. Only reason selen had issues with victor in the first movies was due to the lack of a corvinus amp. after she drank from corvinus she took out markus. even markus was impressed with her strength he even mentioned this while in the waterway under the castle.
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