Besides, Marcus is stronger, faster, and the more accomplished fighter. Selene bested Vik in a single strike, before her Alexander amp, and was fought to a standstill by Michael for ages. Marcus on the otherhand bested Michael relatively easily and in a much shorter time, and fought much more closely with an amped Selene.
Not dealing with your bullshit here Quan, f**k off.
Based on? Markus has more tactical options, is far stronger, faster, and has flight. Victor was not more tactically inclined in any way. And the only reason Marcus ever bowed to Vik, was because Vik had William as a hostage, and a hoard of brainwashed Death Dealers, not because Vik was stronger.
Like I said, not rising to your deliberate trolling bait. Reported and f**k off.
Viktor wasn't even facing her. Quit trolling. Wrong.
Markus does have more options but he isn't as intelligent or as tactical as Viktor. Viktor was smarter and more clever than stupid Markus. This is the same reason Viktor wins despite the physical advantages Markus has.
Yeah, that's why, Marcus in less than 48 hours was able to undo centuries of Vik's work. Tactical genius that dude. Hell, I have no idea what you constitute as tactical acumen here, Vik got bought undone despite all his games. AND, here is a nail to the coffin - Even if Vik was more tactically sound than Marcus, it doesn't mean nothing in a one-on-one fight against someone who is considerably more powerful.
The idiot is right about one thing though. Selene got a surprise attack in on Viktor while he was engaged in battle with Michael. There's no way in Hell Selene would've beaten Viktor without getting the jump on him like that. Wouldn't even have been a contest. That still doesn't change the fact that Marcus would whip Viktor though.Only reason Selene was able to go toe-to-toe with Marcus at the end of movie was because she had drank the blood of Alexander Corvinus.
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Well, the fool said it was from behind. However, Vik turned when he heard Selene pick up his sword, so it may have been quick, but it wasn't from behind.
That said, Marcus has considerably more durability feats Countless rounds of gunfire, including a close range shotgun blast, being ripped up by the truck crushing him into a rock face at high speeds, and he was punking Michael throughout their fights even from the onset, something Vik does not have. Viktor was barely breaking even with Michael early on, but Marcus was dominating him from the get go in both their fights.
Something else I have always wondered about. In the first movie, I was surprised at how Amelia was so easily assassinated on the train since she was an elder. It's like she didn't even put up a fight. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong but I don't think they showed her fighting at all did they? I mean it's not like she was alone. She had the rest of the council members with her even though Kraven's men were just standing by and letting it happen.
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The ease with which quan is able to successfully troll you all is fascinating.
No.
NoKinda, but not really.
This is pretty disingenuous phrasing, since it suggests Selene conquered Viktor through superior power and/or skill, when neither is the case. Viktor was too busy throttling the shit out of Michael and fell prey to a sneak attack.
We all know that Viktor would curbstomp pre-amp!Selene utterly and effortlessly in a fair fight.
Your second sentence is diametrically opposed to the first.
Yes.
It's a helluva lot easier to indiscriminately destroy shit than meticulously build shit. Marcus soloing the covens and helping drive his race inexorably towards extinction doesn't remotely prove the point you're trying to make here.
Agreed.
No. Viktor became the supreme Elder precisely because of his intellect and cunning. Markus isn't an idiot by any means, but Viktor quite simply outplayed him.
No, it was to paraphrase Marcus's durability in comparison to Viktor, plus, it was a comparative showing between them when using Michael as the centerpeice, since Michael has fought both. See, Michael, despite having only just transformed for the very first time, was keeping Vik off his stride for a decent chunk of time, where as both encounters with Marcus, Michael ended up losing.
Ah, not necessarily. You see, Marcus had the last laugh, when he made sure Viktor believed that if he died, all Vampires die with him.
Ah, but uncovering all of Vik's secrets, and even those of Alexander in the process? That does.
Not necessarily. One thing I will give Vik, is that he was more experienced in both politics, and military warfare. Being a Warlord in a time of strife tends to do that. That doesn't necessarily make him more intelligent, just more experienced and learned. However, Marcus is by far the better fighter, which is what this debate revolves around.
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But that's not the point with which I take issue. Your phrasing indicated that pre-amp!Selene > Viktor, when we all know that that's not true. Viktor would shitstomp Selene.
Not really. Viktor kept Markus from William for centuries and, despite the deception, marginalized Markus enough to assume ultimate authority over the covens. The deception saved Markus from certain death, yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that Viktor ran roughshod over him, kidnapped and imprisoned his brother, and ruled the vampires in perpetuity.
No, it doesn't. Tanis was the information broker; Markus simply used his powers to extract information from him via his blood. That has less to do with tactical acumen and more to do with special powers conferred upon Markus because of his Elder status (powers Viktor shared).
And I agree that Markus would win this fight, but you're underselling Viktor as much as Quan is underselling Markus and it's pretty transparent.
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