Then you should vote no, because this is an issue of defining marriage.
Aww, your poor opinion! If you're willing to assume the role of parent and decision maker for 10 million Americans, then don't be suprised when you're resented for it.
You're above reproach because you hold the same ignorant view as someone else? That is news to me.
Yeah, I hear ya. I don't dislike blacks and I also have black friends. But I do feel that blacks should go back to riding in the back of the bus, drinking from different water fountains, using different public restrooms and disallowed from schools where white-people attend. I have nothing against them though, honest.
So says the guy who would vote against equal rights over the use of a word.
What if a propostion came up to not allow black-people to vote (as it once was) and I said, "I'd be okay with blacks voting, but only if they called it something else other than voting, you know traditions."
No I am just trying your tactic of "being the victim"...if we want to hurt feelings we could just point out that your marriage will never be valid and you know it, I know it, everyone knows it...
I just can't wait for the next Hitler to come along and do some damage....
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There is no tradition where marriage is defined as "man and woman" except for the one where women were property, men had total control of household affairs, and marriage was largely for economic and social alliances.
Feminism and the sexual revolution CHANGED this traditional definition of marriage, for the betterment of all society. Literally, into the mid 20th century, marriage was largely a misogynist institution.
The tradition you are appealing to does not exist, it was a myth concocted by the religious right who use "the traditional family" to attempt to persuade people to persecute those they don't like.
Please provide me some examples of where this tradition of marriage you are talking about come from, because frankly I believe you have no basis for the claim.
very true. There are not too many (though, I don't watch TV, so I don't really know) really strong, personally able and independently motivated women on TV, and especially in movies. Jackie Brown was probably the best portrayal of a strong woman I've seen, and she was black to boot (Terintino is a genius).
I just don't think it fits in with what people "want" when they want to be "entertained". Like, people have very set views, and they don't want them to be challenged. The damsel in distress is rescued by the highly capable man and she has sex with him because he did so. It works best if the damsel and the hero had tension that is inexplicably resolved with (normally coloured) people being killed.
lol, I guess that is more action movie, and less sitcom (which I think you were talking about) but ya, the "I need a man to complete me" BS is really bad too. I think that cuts both ways though, and I think men have some very negative gender roles that the media promotes as well.
wow, I had not heard of that...
Stuff is great in the West, its not perfect though. :shrug:
you have personal friends who you would deny the ability to marry the person they loved?
like, you could sit down with one of your good friends, look them in the eye and say "I don't think you deserve to have the same rights as I do in this society. I don't think you should be allowed to marry the person you love"
Actually, try it. Be really calm and nice about it, say it with a smile on your face, and let me know what profanities they call you when you are done.
At first he was really disappointed with me. But then I clarified with him, as I will do with you now, again, that I want him and his other to hold the same rights and benefits as a married couple. He then was just frustrated because that meant voting 'yes' and delaying the goal. He was far from angry, but respectively disagreed on the basis that if other states have it, so should California.
That time, not too long ago, when the idea of a man marrying a man was far from the American public's mind, and the institution of a man-woman marriage appeared exclusive and was prevalent. I think it came after the dinosaurs.
I feel like you're just messin' with the newbie at this point...
I suppose I can refer to that time because then it was between man and women, but I do not condone that women be treated as property.
Now, I'm more accurately referring to the years residing in the 1900's, and even the late 1800's in a few cases. Both of my grandmothers and the great grandmother that I know of willingly chose their husbands and were not treated as property.
I am arguing on behalf of a traditional definition of marriage, but not the one that also includes a healthy does of misogyny.
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You do realize that it's a bit ridiculous. Your point is not a traditional marriage at all. Your point is "I don't want them **** to marry". You are for the modern type of marriage (women and men as equals)...not the more traditional ones.
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