For the record, The Dark Knight's been my favorite film of 2008 so far. I listed Wall-e as being comparable because I think it is. There's an amazing attention to detail in the film, tons of visual metaphors, a bold move to not have any dialogue for the first 30 minutes or so (and still convey emotions/tell a story), and messages that are just as important as the ones in TDK. I'm sure anyone here would get pissed off at someone for writing The Dark Knight off as just another comic book movie and the same can be said for Wall-e. People shouldn't write it off as just another animated film.
Decidedly superior? Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind comes to mind. I think that movie is superior (and I like it better). If we go back a bit further, Fight Club.
As for movies that are technically better (ie from a directing standpoint, etc.), There Will Be Blood is probably better.
Also, there are still 2008 films that I've yet to see that I might like better/consider superior to The Dark Knight. Those films being: Slumdog Millionaire (as I stated earlier), The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Revolutionary Road and Synecdoche, New York.
I almost respected your post until you resorted to simply saying "**** u" at the end. With that said, I'll still respond in a civil way, even though you're acting like a douchebag. I wasn't implying that you personally were a raging TDK fanboy, I'm just saying that overall I've noticed a ton of ridiculous posts by KMC members since The Dark Knight came out. Posts that exaggerate how good the film is/claim that it is the single greatest movie ever created/no other movie compares, etc. You get the idea. And like I said, posts like those give off the impression that those people haven't even seen another "good" movie, which renders their already ridiculous posts even more ridiculous. The fact that you said there hasn't been a film that compares to TDK (in terms of writing in depth) was absurd; I was pointing that out. And of course you had to take it personally.
well yeah. i took it personally because u were implying i was a fanboy. u can generalize and sugar-coat all u want. i know what you meant.
It's a matter of opinion. and i can back up my claims (regarding the writing and depth) with specific examples from TDK and comparing it to other movies. that's what my opinion is based on. And my points are valid.
Ya maybe i should've mentioned there are some movies that rival TDK to be objective and not sound "absurd" from your view, but i still stand by saying that i think TDK edges out the other great movies of recent years..
THE DARK KNIGHT IS THE BEST MOVIE EVER MADE! .................. heh.......just joking Snake Eyes. Nominations? I'd like to see it get nominations for every award possible......maybe minus editing (i found there were quite a few odd editing choices, i personally feel some of the shots used in the trailers were better than those that made the final cut) directing (i read that Nolan kept away from the obvious ability to make the directing flashy and more exciting, to let the performances, writing and story speak for themselves.......and i think they did, very well, but i still believe, as damn exciting as it was, that it could have been a little more.....dare i say.....creative, and less formal......) and special effects......As for wins? I think out of all the flicks i have seen so far.....it is deserving of Best Supporting....(how original!) and probably cinematography.......as cool as it would be to see it win B. Picture, I'm not so sure that it IS the best picture of the year. Deserving? Maybe. IS? No...............I also think it had a great chance at getting a statue for best original score but that whole fiasco is a joke. Major bummer on that topic...............
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Wall-e- like The Dark Knight- is a transcendence of genre. It goes beyond the general limits of a stereotypically kid-friendly, lighthearted genre and possesses terrifying, disturbing themes. I really think that Wall-e is a scarier movie than most recent horror movies, and that's saying a lot.
That being said, though, I believe the Dark Knight is better because of its generally darker atmosphere, realism, and 'now' edge. Wall-e is an ominous warning about the future of our super-consumerist society; The Dark Knight is a meditation about chaos and morality in our current age.
As for the other films you listed, well, I dunno. I hadn't seen Eternal Sunshine, actually, although the Truman Show (also a 'dramedy' with Jim Carrey) is hands down one of my favorite movies of all time. Fight Club is probably a better movie than the Dark Knight, yeah (even though I enjoyed them on a similar scale, personally).
But think about it. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a movie from 2004. Fight Club is from 1999. So, basically, you only listed two movies in the last ten or so years that you felt were better than TDK, which is immensely impressive.
Slumdog and Revolutionary Road look great, but I'm apparently the only one who doesn't buy into the premise behind Benjamin Button. I mean, a guy who ages backwards just seems a bit... stupid...
I'm glad you realize the deeper/quality aspects of Wall-e. Really, I just wanted to get across the point that those two movies are comparable and that in the end, it comes down to preference. I, too, like TDK better, but it's totally valid for one to like Wall-e better.
The Truman Show is great. Seriously, you should give Eternal Sunshine a shot though, imo it's even better than The Truman Show.
The reason I only listed two movies is because I tried to only list films that were A) definitively better than TDK and B) films that I like more than TDK. There are tons of films that are "technically" better than The Dark Knight: No Country for Old Men, There Will Be Blood, The Departed, but I don't like them quite as much because they aren't as entertaining (that's not to say I don't like them). Furthermore, I could list many more films that are comparable/that rival The Dark Knight, but that's not what you wanted, so instead I gave you two good examples of movies that I like/that are better.
Come on, man. There's a ton of potential for a story about someone aging backwards and from reviews/trailers/the fact it was directed by David Fincher/penned by Eric Roth, I think it'll deliver.
I could simiplify any plot and label it "stupid." But the act itself would be stupid. For example, "Guy in bat-suit runs around a city trying to stop guy wearing clown make-up." There's The Dark Knight for you. If that's all someone knew about the movie, they probably wouldn't be too excited.
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Yeah. It really pisses me off when hypocritical fanboys attack Wall-e lovers on the grounds that 'it's an animated movie' and then praise TDK for 'breaking the comic book genre'. I mean, why can't an animated movie do the same?
Yeah, I'll do that.
Technically speaking, No Country for Old Men is superior to TDK, no question about it. But I, like you, simply don't like it as much.
The Departed is a different story. I'd say that I like it just like TDK, maybe even a little more.
Two in the span of ten years.
Yeah, David Fincher can add a darkness/'eerie' tone to the movie which will probably make it worthwhile.
I'm gonna try and watch it, but I'm simply not entirely sold on the idea. Maybe I'll like it better when I actually watch the film.
Though, I'm kind of rooting for him to win best director. He was snubbed at the oscars so many times... it's just friggin' unfair. Both Fight Club and Zodiac should have received tons of nominations ("Zodiac" not receiving a single nomination in the Academy Awards? Really?).
True. I just said I'm not fully sold on the premise. But I'm confident Fincher can make it work.
Fight Club, Se7en, Memento, The Pianist, Cidade de Deus, Crash. All these must at least be considered in the same league as The Dark Knight. I'm sure many people (i.e: not me!) would argue that the Lord of the Rings trilogy's up there too.
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