Well, I really think that would be accurate if Aquaman used his telepathy the way he has been demonstrated to before. Perhaps I put it in harsher terms than I should have, but if he is able to simply shut Namor's mind down (and there is every evidence that he should be able to do just that) then I don't see how there can be much of a fight.
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aquaman hasn't proven he can go up against that kind of willpower. this guy broke dr.strange's hold on him before. his willpower is such that many types of control he is simply completely immune to(symbiotic man,puppetmaster,any form of hypnosis). who's to say orin will be any different? his willpower has been proven superior to the hulk, who has one of the highest tp resistances out there.
Well, I think your misunderstand exactly what is going on here. Aquaman doesn't have to try and control a foe (though he HAS proven that he can do so), instead he could do as he did with the White Martian and simply 'turn off' his brain. I don't know that this could be resisted in the same way as someone trying to control Namor's actions. Also, although Aquaman may not have taken control of someone with willpower as great as Namor's (perhaps he has, I simply am not sure) he has demonstrated that he has just about the greatest willpower on DC earth. He can overpower a Green Lantern's ring with his will, and that says quite a bit.
__________________ "One can do worse than be a swinger of birches..."
-Robert Frost
I'm afraid I don't understand your first statement there. On your third statement, do you mean Modok? I don't know, has Namor actually withstood telepathic attacks from anyone anywhere near Aquaman's type and level of power? You said that he has resisted possession by Dr. Strange (I'm not entirely sure how that would relate to what Aquaman can do) and hypnosis by Puppetmaster, but I don't believe that either of those prove him to be immune the Arthur's particular flavor of mental attack. Not to mention the fact that we have an in canon crossover in which Namor is OBVIOUSLY very susceptible to just such an attack that isn't even aimed at him.
__________________ "One can do worse than be a swinger of birches..."
-Robert Frost
it all ties into namor's willpower. it gives him protection against more than just tp, but against any mental attack. it's been showcased throughout history.
this is what all that means:
1. strange's astral form possessed him to mentally take control.....he cast him out.
2.he shrugged off mental attacks from modok
3.he overcame puppetmasters control and is immune to hypnosis. PM doesn't use hypnosis. the 2 are unrelated.
physic attacks/mind control is orin's flavor right?he has examples of that too.
Hmm, I feel that you are overstating your case somewhat, but not being incredibly immersed in Namor lore I cannot prove this suspicion. However, I believe I have something that makes this a moot point. You argue that Namor's willpower makes him highly resistant to telepathic attacks of all types, correct? Well, Aquaman has beaten a foe who was powerful enough to control and manipulate all sealife and all of the inhabitants of Atlantis. Koradx, who's willpower is incredible, and who is also an incredibly accomplished mentalist (something that Namor is not). In their first battle "all that has ever walked or swum or crawled in the ocean depths" suffers agony during their mental conflict.
That is POWER. On the other side of the world sea life goes berzerk, and thousands of miles away an Atlantian on the shore almost passes out from the pain. This is something people don't understand about Aquaman, his powers are INCREDIBLE. His mind covers the entire world. As someone once said, his thoughts shape the world. In their second encounter, Aquaman does more than just match Kordax, he overwhelms this creature, whose mental powers are FAR beyond Namor's.
Willpower or not...I think Aquaman has the advantage there. It is also worth noting that the water hand increases his power from those levels by a great margin.
__________________ "One can do worse than be a swinger of birches..."
-Robert Frost
Aside from hearing it, can Aquaman actually take control of Namors mind, or make him pass out? Has Namor actually on panel resisted a psi assault from someone with as much power as Aquaman in this respect? What about if it went H2H who would win?
Namorsubby, I just meant that it is natural to disagree about beloved characters. I think Aquaman would win, you think Namor would win, etc. From your name I would imagine that you are as big a fan of Namor as I am of Aquaman, so, all things being equal, we support our favorites. That is cool.
Stoic: Take control of...MAYBE (he has rendered humans very "suggestive," but not flat out controlled them that I know of. He DID control Superman when the Man of Steel was unconscious, however), make him pass out, definitely, if Namor is, in fact, unable to resist. As for whether Namor has an on panel demonstration of such resistance...I imagine Namorsubby would be the one to ask, but I would doubt he has resisted anyone like Aquaman. As far as PURELY hand to hand, Namor, as I've said before, has the edge in strength by a decent margin, and most likely in toughness, but not by a large margin. Aquaman is faster and more agile, though. If Aquaman fought smart enough, he could probably win a few, but I don't really think he'd be able to take a majority. With all of his abilities...well, I think the odds are DECIDEDLY more in his favor. In fact, given how suited he is to fighting aquaticly based lifeforms because of his telepathy...well, you get the picture.
__________________ "One can do worse than be a swinger of birches..."
-Robert Frost
Thank you Namor, I try to be friendly. You're quite the cordial debater yourself. To get upset and be rude to people posting on a board about superheroes seems more than a little ridiculous, right?
__________________ "One can do worse than be a swinger of birches..."
-Robert Frost
When Dreadnaught and Psi Phon were "stealing" powers from heroes, Dreadnaught had most of Supermans powers including his strength and durability, and Aquaman actually puts up a good showing against him, claiming while he's nowhere near as strong as Supes, his bodies conditioned to withstand the deepest depths of the ocean..
We need an Aquaman respect thread. I'm pretty sure he has a history of pretty decent physical power feats....
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