Yeah, but a lot of things have to be inferred when watching Star Wars. Palpatines Sith Lightning is mega powerful, but he was torturing Luke to death instead of merely trying to kill him, not to mention that Luke is the greatest Jedi ever and could take even the worst of his brunt. Similarly, we don't know in ROTS why Jedi are so weak and useless. The novelization explains that Palps overwhelmed all of them with his influence since he practically Satan incarnate, not that the Jedi suck. Also, the lightsaber duels are supposed to be so fast that they defy explanation, but the movies can't explain this visually so it looks kind of lame. And Darth Maul is a pawn, he had no ambition to kill his master. Thus he isn't even a real Sith.
I'm not saying he's not powerful. He'd kick my ass, lol. When, however, you have other Sith Lords who consume planets Galactus style, trigger supernovas with just a thought and enslave the whole galaxy, Maul just doesn't hold up.
This is the biggest piece of shit argument ever made in the movies vs. forum. You have the nerve to rage on RJ's arguments when you pull shit like this out of your ass.
Seriously.
I mean, come on. You're far too smart to make such a dumbassed argument like this. That fly's wings beating argument is weak as hell. Unless Parker's movements are seen on camera at the same time the fly's wings are flapping, your argument is complete bullshit. All it is is just a slow down of time to bring into perspective all the little things happening around him to show that the spidey sense picked up the danger that was coming for him...and you missed that.
Besides, Flash's chest would have been destroyed to bits from Parker's punch if it were even halfway realistic.
This scene is so full of PIS. How can you not see that? Or, is all three of the remainder of the films PIS and this is the only real showing?
Get real.
Just the same as we can throw out 60 Mph blaster bolts in a trash compactor, we can also throw out the "OMG! That's so cool He is fighting for the first time" scene.
Spidey sense<<jedi precog. Spidey sense only senses danger and it is much too vague. This is widely known/established, even in the comics. Jedi precog is specific to not just specific threats to their person, but the whole world around them: that is seen in the movies as well.
You have one scene from the first film that was entirely PIS just for the sake of an awesome moment by the director and you go ass-wild on an argument.
If you want to include this in your debate, then we can say blaster bolts travel at kilometers a second as seen in the epic battle in AoTC and we can give Jedi's reflexes that make Parker have the reflexes of Napoleon Dynamite. Observe:
Robtard, I never want to see you use that scene as evidence for Parker, ever again. For shame, young man. For shame.
And, NO, Jedi fanboys, you can't include the super fast movement speed that the Jedi RARELY do in the films. That's even rare in the EU! Don't be foolish.
Also, some Jedi Knights are strong enough to kill Spiderman. Anyone above them would rape the shit out of Spiderman. The difference between master and knight is big as seen clearly with the fight with Dooku.
And put Spidey in the same situation, he will get blaster bolts in his ass too. Some were focused on combat, that was the main thing, but yes, some were stronger than the others. If Ki Adi Mundi hadnt been charging and fighting droids, he would have sensed the troopers attack and owned their ass.
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You lack the ability to understand what was being shown to you in the film, the spit-ball, the fly's wings and the "hey, look around" scene was strickly for the purpose to show the audience what Peter's perspective is because of his enhanced abilities when he's in a fight, ie the adrenaline rush people get when in danger, most likely.
In the second it took Flash to throw a straight punch and withdraw it back, Peter had the time to look around for several seconds, ie his reaction-time is extremely heightened. The director was basically following what he's like in the comics. /end fact
Edit: watch it a few more times, it's showing what his perspective is like, maybe it will sink into that thick cranium this time, I do doubt it though.
And in that same sequence, when Flash misses with a right, when Peter looks up and down flash's arm and is like WHOA, Peter isn't moving full speed either.
Has it been pointed out that Spidey has never displayed the speed Qui Gon and Obi Wan displayed in Episode 1 when escaping the trade federation ship?
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Well that's my point, it's not like Flash was moving as if he were in a jar of molasses and Peter was full speed. I'd say Peter was about 75% full speed, maybe 80-85.
Obi Wan versus Darth Maul. Watch it again. they are fighting at speeds that far exceed any speed we are shown Spidey fighting at. Same with Annie and Obi Wan.
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Exactly.
And if Spiderman can actually catch up with speeding cars, (rather than just running after it whist it moves slow and then cutting em off at the pass like other action scenes we could mention...)
with usage of webslinging, unless the Jedi could top that -and that speed over short distances, with breaks of running at normal speed isnt gonna do it - then its 'awkwardly having to explain in the morning, the spider crust round their bottoms' time.
And yeah he moves that fast when catapulting himself.
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Hmm.....Which is a more formidable weapon? Force powers or web slinging?
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Depends if we are talking Sith or Jedi constricted by the moral code.
(Not being able to do Force lightning, force chokes etc)
Since we are talking Jedi here, Spidey wins I reckon, depending on of course the individual powers of the Jedi in question.
He might have his hands full with Yoda, but I reckon hed be alright against a lot of the lower level Jedi.
Before the camera slows down, Flash is throwing and withdrawing his punches in second, when it slows down a 0:46, it takes flash 5-6 seconds to punch and bring it back.
Peter was barely slowed down, if were making it numbers, he was moving at 90-95%, easily.
They're moving very fast but not at 5+ times normal human speeds, if they were, the sabre light trails would have been one long continuous blur.
That was the point of that scene with Flash, the camera was slowed down in regards to Flash, but not so much in regards to Peter to illustrate his "amazing" abilities.
Sam Raimi was following the comic books in that scene.
I'd have to watch Spider-man 1 again, but iirc, he dodges a bullet fired at point blank range, this is when he chases the thief/murderer to the warehouse, right before the guys falls out of the window and dies.
If so and I'm fairly certain it is, it further supports his amazing reflexes and reaction-time as seen in the Flash fight scene.
The blaster bolt issue is revelant and cannot be discounted.
People are ducking them after seeing them coming and shit.
Even deflecting the bolt like it was a ball off of a bat.
If we were seeing real lasers in use, they be presumably invisible, silent, and existing continuously and simutaneously between emitter and target. As the laser would move at the speed of light.
If it was like a tracer, it'd move also at the speed of light and again wed still see the continuous beam but in red or whatever tracer colour is yours.
Blasters seem to be way slower than bullets and are defintely not.
OT Turbolasers and the bigger hardware'd be neccesary to achieve power, by light speed is light speed and they cant move that fast either.
But the PT Clone Troopers' AT AT's and dropships seem to have more realistically portrayed laser weapons.
Very true what you say about the compared ESPerceptions, but only so far.
Because the Jedi's ability to sense stuff gets clouded by the Darkside or is subject to the will of the force's flow. (Yoda commenting about diminished abilty to use the force ect)
And enough died in the Clone Wars and the purge to evidence that force intuition not as reliable of handy as Spidey's.
Spidey lived through his movies.
Oh and if Peter had punched him properly instead of that basic crap Karate punch, then the organs you speak of would have been all over the lockers.
If Peter hit Flash with some of those decent "plenty of bodyweight moving into 'em" hooks and uppercuts he hit Goblin with, it'd be time to call the coroner and time him to bring the spatula and mop.
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