i have no doubt that kenshiro and raoh would be able to take down any guy from naruto universe in a duel(maybe they wouldnt be able to kill pain but) .But they are fighting against the entire akatsuki and konoha.There are at least 4 members from ankatsuki that the pressure points wouldnt even work.The two imortals , pain(he is dead if you know what i mean) and the puppet master sasori...he is a...puppet.Beides , they all have attacks that do area danage or instant kill moves.
Because Raikiri stopped Kakuzu punching a hole through him? Or Sasori died after being dismantled by Sakura's punch? And Hidan couldn't do anything when Asuma beheaded him.
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Then how come everyone moans and groans when people use speed feats from DBZ anime. saying its not canon. there is a huge double standard going on.
Also when I say solo. I mean one on one. But seriously. Team 1 got outclassed in speed way back in part 1. Naruto was smacking Sasuke around at VOTE from multiple directions underwater in an instant. Rock lee Kept gaara suspeneded in the air for a long ass time juggleing him. And Characters have either matched or surpassed that speed one way or another or are able to keep up with it.
And the speed thing isnt the biggest issue. Its the fact that your placing characters who are mainly hand to hand fighters against people are are excellent fighters hand to hand to hold their own. Not only that But they are also facing people with a whole plethora of abilities.
these fights would be interesting one on one. But not like this.
A better match up for one of team 1 would be a one on one Match with Neji. kenshiro more likely
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I guess punches that dismantled the puppet > ki blasts that punched through Souther and shattered stone behind him.
As for the second thing, I don't know what point you're trying to make here, other than how Hidan can't do shit.
Durr, Kenshiro pops Hidan's skeleton out of his body. Let's see how he puts himself back together.
Next.
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Not the poing of Sasori is...He'll just come back together. Sakura can destroy stone..big whoop. She knocked that huge metal sand square away without any trouble.
We've all seen how well Ken works against immortals....The only person he wasn't ever able to kill was Devil Reverse. The huge guy who beat him badly and had survived every death sentence. He put him down sure but he was never shown to be able to kill him at all, and it took a bit to actually even slow him down.
Neji doesn't have the feats to do anything to Ken. Nobody in Naruto really has the feats to win in a one-on-one match against anybody in HNK. Or even the four man teams against one HNK member.
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Yeah because Hokuto Shinken has no instant kill techniques.
1. I don't say that about DBZ.
2. Neiji would die to Kenshiro, there is nothing Neiji could do to Kenshiro.
3. Watch those speed feats, Souther, Toki and Kenshiro alone outclass all of Naru characters in speed strength and durability.
4. It doesn't matter what abilities they have, I haven't seen much that will give the HNK brothers problems. Fire, electricity, poison, paralasyis, none of that can stop Hokut Shinken and would do very little to no damage to them. From what I understand all it really takes is a lot of will power for someone to break out of a genjutsu, which they all have.
5. All of these HNK characters are way better at fighting than the Naru characters especially when it comes to hand to hand.
Souther, Rei and Kenshiro can just cut their hands off.
Toki, Raoh and Kenshiro can just explode their fists.
the HNK brothers will learn their fighting style after like one move and they will be able to perfectly replicate it and counter anything they attack with. They also can't hit someone who can become intangible.
Paralysis does work...Even taking in the fact Ken broke out of a Hokuto Shinken paralysis move doesn't suddenly mean he can break out of a different kind as Ken's mastery of Hokuto Shinken as proven against Amiba helps a lot when hit with the style and countering it.
And um...They have attacks that slice people up. Ken has shown over and over again his durability is low as he's been stabbed with arrows, and sliced up. Any attack the Narutoverse uses WILL have an effect if it hits. Ken may have some super damage soak but his durability isn't anything to care much about when it comes to piercing objects.
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1. That the general consensus. That anime is not canon when it comesmto DBZ characters moving at lightspeed or the energy attacks moving at lightspeed.
2. One touch can destroy organs. He can easily push Kenshiro back from soemd istance by moving his hands forward. 128 palms. To shut down the energy from flowing in Kenshiro body. Kaiten fromKenshiro every touching him. It would most likely break Kenshirop fingers since it reflect the attack back at the attacker.
3. I watched them. And No...no they dont. And looked at them in the manga and they are not special. Those speed feats all got trumped back in pretimeskip and most of them where doen against who? Some biker that couldnt hit him. What speed feats to those people have.
4. Really now. We have lightning from a user that can supposedly cut a lightning bolt in half, another than has yet to fail to peirce anything in the manga, Fire that can punch through concrete. People who can summon lightning bolts. A man who can decimate a village with one attack, Another that has a lazer that can decimate a village, characters with super strength, characters with shunshin regular shunshin can bearly bee seen by the naked eye especially if you use something to cover it. A character who's shunshin is faster than the rest. Who shitted on supersonic speeds while carrying two people that weighed more than him. People who can Air juggle opponents by unlocking gates, a kage that can heal an entire village at the same time, A person that is a genius that can bind people with shadows, another person that can control a sword of parsetic insect that can suck a person dry in no time flat, a female that can mind swap a a person, a guy that can take a pill to make himself a hundredx stronger, People who can see up to 200km from 360 degrees. People whop are practically immortal in which if they get a drop of your blood you might as well be dead. people with five hearts that dont really have any pressure points and can make their skin as hard as steel. People who can predict movements before a person make them. A 15/16 year old that can transform into a demonic beast that practically industructible.A female thaty can turn into paper and smuther you and give you a bajillion papercuts. A person that can make a large ocean. Another that can Turn his body into water at will and is immune to physical attacks. Like seriously. Kenshiros universe doesnt compare at all.
And no. Will power doesnt beat Genjutsu at all. People who can will themselves back from the dead(Jiraiya,Sasuke, Naruto) have been cought in genjutsu and wasnt able to get out. And the strongest Genjutsu is from a sharingan user which can bearly be broken out of. it control the energy in your body. at such a high degree. So far the only real effective way to break out of a genjutsu is to have someone else break you out of it. Simple will power wont break you out of it. Thats where these people will get raped the most.
5. Hand to hand is usless against characters that are faster than them. And can become even more faster by simply using a jutsu. Can paralyze you from some KM away by simply looking in your eyes. Can predicyt your movements before you even make make them. Can cross some 3km in an instant. Can incinerate you by simply looking at you. can send you to a different dimension by simply looking at you. Seriously. HNK pales in comparison. And your posting anime feats which i could have sworn werent canon. Cuz I can post anime and movie feats aswell. There nothing much to it. If we can post uncanon anime feats there is no reason why i should be able to post uncanon cutscenes from a video game
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Seeing as he was able to break out of it, we can't say paralysis does work when it has never fully worked on him. His fight against Amiba was proven to be PIS seeing as he later on blocked off his pressure points with ease in the same fight.
He has shown that his durability his high seeing as he has taken many Nanto attacks with only cuts and Souther's ultimate technique, a speeding train, tons and tons of rocks falling on him with no scratch, an explosive bombardment and so on. An arrow has done nothing more than scratch his flesh and the only time I've seen an arrow hit him was when he was paraylyzed and his body was weakened due to that. What piercing objects are they going to use? Throw a kunai or shoot an arrow and they all lose an eye.
1. I guess so.
2. One touch destroys the entire body. Kenshiro can also push him back. 128 Palms, meet Hokuto Hyakretsuken. From what I understand he can only do that to Naru characters that have chakra, Kenshiro has Touki or just Ki if you want to call it that. Nothing is breaking Kenshiro's body parts seeing as he is way more durable than steel itself and even if said attack was countered, it can't counter the effects of Hokuto Shinken and by that time that Neiji thought he broke Ken's hands, he'll realize that his own fist just exploded. How is Neiji going to touch him when he uses Musou Tensei? What is Neiji going to do when he uses Nanto Seiken on him? The fact that Kenshiro has way more battle experience than him also puts the fight in his favor.
3. You obviously didn't watch all of them as you would've seen that he fought someone who was so fast that they appeared to be standing still while fighting. No one could see the shadows of Han's fists and Han couldn't see Kenshiro's. Kenshiro caught up to a spear and blocked it by running. He creates an optical illusion with his fists. He ties up Uiguhar's whips who was whipping him so fast that you couldn't even see where they were coming from.
4. Do you know how impossible it is to cut a lightning bolt in half? Anyway Kenshiro has had thousands of volts of electricity flow through his body as he pulled the bars from a gate apart and showed no pain or flinching. Kenshiro has great durabilty against piercing objects and attacks. The thought of fire punching through something is stupid but Kenshiro has also walked through a wall of fire with no damage done and his ultimate technique has destroyed stone as well. Kenshiro has better strength feats than them. Ken doesn't need to air juggle seeing as he can kill you in one hit and he can learn your own moves and use them against you, and predict your movements and counter. You can't be human and not have pressure points, where is it stated that they don't have it? Ken is more durable than steel and he can either punch through steel or cut it. Tahaha paper cuts killing Kenshiro when he takes Nanto attacks with ease! Paper cuts hurting Kenshiro is even funnier if you believe that can happen. The funniest part was you using child terms like bajillion. You're funny.
If genjutsus are so powerful than how come they never win?
5. One speed doesn't really matter if you know exactly how and where your opponent will be, which is what the HNK brothers can predict and replicate their moves. It also doesn't matter if you can become intangible right? The HNK brothers can become faster too by using 100% of their body's power. Good thing this fight isn't from Kilometers away now isn't it? If they moved that far then they would be committing self-BFR. The anime is canon from what I understand and is directly from the manga except the length of the Shin arc. I don't post the movie feats because they aren't canon, I post HNK anime feats because they are.
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Like I said...Him being paralyzed by Hokuto Shinken and getting out doesn't mean him being paralyzed by genjutsu means he can get out. As being Hokuto master means that he can block or get out of them.
Most Nanto attacks he dodges...A speeding train that didn't hit him....and falling rocks are crushing not stabbing. And he's been deeply impaled by arrows, and blowdarts. His piercing durability isn't that great but he can take a lot of pain.
And he had an arrow stab him when the kid shot him because Jagi's technique would kill the kid if he didn't. And he was fine and it still went in deep. And a few of them have swords they use...or the fact they use their kunai as knives. Or the fact that chidori is a peircing move.
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It still pierced him. And all the arrows that pierced him during the time he saved Mountain from the sand pit or whatever his name was. And when he had those bamboo shoots imbed himself deep into him. He's able to take pain and cut the flow of his blood but he isn't bullet proof or piercing objects which have been proven time and time again.
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2. Im sorry im not beleiving that Kenshiro body is tougher than steel when I seen him get peirced by arrows. They have to hit pressure poiints last time i check to make the body explode. Im sorry but it would break kenshiro hands and it would never gety passed Kaiten to even touch Neji. Seeing chakra is basically industructible other than beingf faced with other chakra. On screen Kenshiro may have to more battle experience. But neji also has much battle experience from missions as well. Look how many fights kenshiro been on and look at how many mission neji went on
3. dont mistake optical illusion for speed. While it may have seen like they werent moving. POV speed and actuall speed feats are different. To said person the person may have seem like they werent moving. Take DBZ example. Goku did the same thing. But Sometime later where goku was fighting someone stronger they were able to trace goku w/ ease showing the point of view. Someone juggeling someone in the air with ease without letting them drop is more of an actual speed feat because its not judged via pov of the character he facing.
4. Yea but its a feat none the less that Kakashi manage to do it. If kenshiro faced thousands of bolts that all dandy but thats not going to stop the peircing power of chidori That cuts through harder tha steel material like butter. Its not stupid at all Its just the mechanics that kenshiro have to work against. The fire heat is that intense that it was able to generate a thunderstorm. Kenshiro ultimate technique only destroyed stone. Sakura upheaves and splits lands with a punch. Tsnade splits the earth as well by simply plucking the ground. Kenshiro does not have better strength feats Than Naruto, Tsunade, or Sakura. Naruto tosses Giant rinocerous that calulated at being 100 tons hundreds of meters into the air. Tsunade levels hudnreds of yards of ground by simply punching it. And Kenshiro ultimate technique only able to break stone. Sasuke ultimate technique destroyed an entire mountain and upheave the ground under it. He now has amaterasu that instantly burned through a stione toads stomach that breathes fire. It even burned fire itself. Just cuz kenshiro can break or cut through steel doesnt mean he is more durable then it. Because i have seen him shot and peirce by simple arrows. And cut by wind. If the best argument is saying HAHAHAHAHA your using child terms then we might as well just stop debating. Seeing as she turns into countless peices of paper with the peircing power to cut steel.
5. Kenshiro would never touch Sasuke or Kakashi, or Itachi, or neji, or Madara. hell not even pain. neji can see all around him, pain sees from six different angles. Sasuke can predict movements of a person before they even move and count. People who juggeling someone under the water stirking them from every angle. Kenshiro or none of the fighters listed would even touch said naruto characters listed. Wow he hyprocrtizy. Considering that the movies are made by the same people producing the anime. WHy shouldnt we. If you can use all avaible sources why shouldnt Naruto characters. Anime obscurs many things from the manga. Which is why it isnt consider canon. but if you look at anime. Pretimeskip characters already pass or atleast met the speed feats. Especially top tier characters.
Lol Genjutsu has raped many characters in the manga before and cought people. Only people to really beat Genjutsu was Sharingan users, and kirabi
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Sorry for the DP but it wouldnt let me edit my last post. But for fighting in a coma.
Rock Lee pretimeskip. was in a coma and still ready to go. Not only that but he had dozens of torn muscles and ligaments throug out his body aswell as his arm and leg being shattered
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Last edited by Csdabest on Feb 24th, 2009 at 08:30 AM
Anime is not canon, post manga scans, furthermore that's hardly impressive compared to blocking hypersonic whips and tying them into knots so fast the user doesn't even realize what happened, and that was early in the manga
The absolute fastest Naruto characters are mach 1 or 2, Kenshiro is at least mach 10
Yes my mistake, a post after midnight is prone to sounding stupid. I don't even know how I mixed up the train hitting him and him stopping a train.
But he didn't dodge the Tensho Juuji Ho which is probably the strongest Nanto attack ever.
In the end arrows piercing his skin is just a low showing. We have seen steel bend over his shoulder or head, we have seen tons of rock smashed over his head with no signs of pain or flinching. Neiji can't hit what he can't touch, Ken will just Musou Tensei and strike. He doesn't have to physically touch him to beat him. What is stopping Ken from using Nanto Seiken techniques? Lets see Neiji on a mission against Kaioh, or Raoh, or Souther and then we'll see how well he does. Ken stomps him, he has fought more poeple, and he has been fighting longer. He'll probably use some of Neiji's own moves on him.
Kenshiro is still faster, he is able to punch so fast that you can't even see him. Like I said when he fought Han. No one could see their fists.
If Ken hit them with his ultimate technique then they wouldn't be able to move. Does Kakashi just start off battles chidoriing everybody? If not then Kenshiro will already know all of his moves after the first attack and easily counter. Suieshuin I think that is what its called.
Kenshiro destroys tanks with his fists and stops people who weigh 500 kilos with his fingers and lifts rocks well over 500 if not 1000 tons which weighs more than a rhino. Kenshiro is more durable than steel because we have seen steel itself bend when struck against him. Like I said everyone knows that arrows are low showings/stupidity and the wind that you see cutting him are attacks from Nanto Seiken masters who can use those same attacks on Ken to cut regular men into pieces. Also I don't care if someone can burn fire which sounds stupid also. Thats like saying I can wet water. Fire can't hurt Kenshiro or Raoh or Toki.
Ken can also see pretty well and counter your moves before you even do it, and he can replicate them perfectly. It is the Naru characters that will never touch him seeing as he'll just Musou Tensei out of the way.
Movies aren't accepted unless they are canonical to the story line. I don't use the HNK movie because it isn't canon to the HNK story.
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Kenshiro can also push him back. 128 Palms, meet Hokuto Hyakretsuken. From what I understand he can only do that to Naru characters that have chakra, Kenshiro has Touki or just Ki if you want to call it that. Nothing is breaking Kenshiro's body parts seeing as he is way more durable than steel itself and even if said attack was countered, it can't counter the effects of Hokuto Shinken and by that time that Neiji thought he broke Ken's hands, he'll realize that his own fist just exploded. How is Neiji going to touch him when he uses Musou Tensei? What is Neiji going to do when he uses Nanto Seiken on him? The fact that Kenshiro has way more battle experience than him also puts the fight in his favor.
