Squall is by far the least identifiable main character and displays most strongly off-putting emo/angst traits throughout the game- sorry, but Tidus and Cloud do not even begin to compare. He is an absolutely horrendous abortive mess of a main character in probably the lwast convincing video game romance I've ever seen.
Opinions are opinions, but nominating and/or liking Squall simply shows an appalling lack of taste in characterisation and highlights a sorry problem where people can get away with that sort fo crap without beeling called otu on it (luckily, it seems far more people agree with me than do not). Go check out my VIII review for more detail as I say there all that needs to be said. This remains an area I have an extremely strong viewpoint about.
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Squall didn't **** Quistis, for that alone he fails and sucks on levels beyond mere human comprehension. He was also a flat boring undeveloped character, and he still didn't **** Quistis. Squall's lousiness was just one of many problems with the game, however. The rest of the cast wasn't much better.
FFXI wasn't bad. It's barely comparable to other FF games and probably shouldn't have had a numeric behind it and even less should be compared to the other games in the series, but it was a decent MMO that I was into for some time.
I believe I also stressed the 'WHY NOT QUISITIS!!?' point in my review.
I've rcently been watching a funny (and extremely elongated) video review of FFVIII, which points out Sewifer must be gay. Why? because he escapes the Garden's 'Disciplinary rooms', and as the reviewer points out, any heterosexual stuck in a disciplinary room with Quisits is going to stay.
As it is, by the end of the game she has lost all of her authority and personality and is just cheerleading Squall on. Cut that out, girl- if you had been a half decent teacher you would have stopped Squall being such a mopey emo prick in the first place.
Introverted people make bad action game characters. Tidus and Cloud might also be whiny but they were outgoing and exuberant (and with more believable romance plots- and they weren't all that, so that is a comment on how godawful VIII's romance was). Squall has the worst of all worlds- broody, emotional, miserable, moany and boring on-screen. Just like Harry Potter in book 5, almost no-one liked him and they've never tried anything liker him again.
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Squall's awesome. He's actually the only FF protagonist that i've connected with and respected. Personally I like emo people like him though, becuase it's realistically how people should be in that situation. Tidus? Laughs while slicing people and things up with his sword. Clearly has problems.
What's wrong with introverted people?
It seems this issue far extends that of the realm of video games. It seems you dislike 'introverted people' in general.
What have they ever done to you? Maybe it's you who has a problem.
Me? I could care less about the attitude of the protagonist.
But I would do well with a quiet-type yet manly hero than with a whiny, girly-looking hero(ine).
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Now you are just babbling nonsense, occult. Trying to make out that it is some real life personality thing is akin to flaming- cut that out as well or you will be warned.
Introverted people have never made good action heroes, it is a basic axiom of drama. For a start, they are just not interesting on-screen- in a book, you can get away with it, but in anything visual then exuberance pays dividends, doubly so with a lead. Secondly, Squall's introversion combind with angst and decidedly unfriendly attitude in general is simply alienating to the majority of players. Like I say, it is like the Potter book 5 phenomenon- MASSIVE criticism over how unlikeable Harry had become for much the same reasons. Squall, meanwhile, is not even vaguely manly, either in looks or personality.
Meanwhile, trying to bring 'realism' of personality into a. any action genre and b. a Final Fantasy game is a mistake. Most of Tidus' issues in FFX are down to culture shock at his sudden transportation (he's a sports star after all, where Squall is meant to be a trained special ops guy), but at least he still has confidence.
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Oh great, compare someome COMPLETELY different- Bruce Wayne is a bon viveur socialite for God's sake! Batman may be ansgty but he is not even REMOTELY introverted. He's actively the opposite, he's expressing his 'dark' side constantly.
Advice- think things through
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Just a Red Mage to 35. Then started messing around with the new classes. Got a Dark Knight to like 18. I would have gotten further but I got into the WoW beta and that pretty much took over.
Bruce Wayne isn't the real person, it's just a cover. The real person is the emo dressed in black leather, leering in the shadows, saying 2 words of dialogue and then throwing a hissy fit all over the joker's face. If the Batman isn't introverted, no-one is. He's about as brooding as it comes.
Okay, so Squall was orphaned and was abandoned in the past. That's great. So was Tidus. He already had issues with the fact that Jecht was a self-absorbed ass. Who then vanished. And then his mom dies. If Squall's allowed to be whiny because he was orphaned, then why does Tidus, having a similar background, have less of an excuse?
Then let's get into the whole Sin attack. You know, I'd say that being swept into another world entirely, where you don't know anyone or anything and your home is destroyed, is certainly more of a reason to be aggravating than anything that Squall deals with in the game. Yes, he's annoying and complains about stuff. But most of the annoyingness is due to sheer ignorance of the situation he's been dumped into. It's not something he could exactly help.
Oh, and let's not forget discovering that his dad is the main enemy. That's a bit of a blow. Or discovering exactly what happens to a Summoner that manages to defeat Sin. Or discovering that he isn't actually real. And yet he still manages to become a less annoying and more selfless person.
I'm no fan of Tidus, I'll make that clear. But I have to severely wonder about anyone who thinks that Squall's a superior character.
Well, I was playing a Black Mage. My friends that were playing all did melee classes. I think it was just the class I chose. However, that's still a big problem, and "too much damn grind" isn't exactly an uncommon complaint with that game.
And funny. One of the games I play the most right now is an MMO. It starts you out with the plot immediately. THAT is how a game should be.
A week was enough of that game. Not worth paying for, not at all.
I think you need to re-assess your understanding of the term 'introverted'. Batman it ain't, not by an exceptiobnally long shot. It most definitely is not a synonym for 'brooding'.
Try again.
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1. That's funny, that is how I feel about the vast majority of your posts.
2. You would have a point. But you have one flaw. THAT IS NOT WHY TIDUS WAS A PERPETUAL WHINER. By his own admission, the reason for his emo-hate for his dad is because mommy didn't show him attention when daddy was around. Tidus is a selfish brat. Tidus cries and whines, Squall does not, he just keeps to himself, yet he's the whiny emo protagonist? Squall is not whiny, you do not know it's definition if you think he is, he is introverted, and something of a cold dick. Tidus was a whiny prick.
3. That's not why I find him annoying at all. Why would anyone dislike him just because he is ignorant of Spira? He just got there, and that is not why he is whiny, so that is irrelevant.
4. I know, character development. But in your bias, you somehow believe that Squall had none. Which is a factually un-true statement. I did not say that Tidus had no character development at all, you're the only person who made such a claim.
5. Because he is not a whiny crybaby?
EDIT: Batman is one of the most selfish, emo, pathetic, and overrated piece of shit characters there are.
1. Cloud after supposedly getting over Aeris' death and accepting his companions spent the next 2-3 years moping about Aeris and alienated his companions.
Cloud is by far the worst.
But yeah the FFVIII romance did suck.
2. Right, because you are the one who sets the standard for bad taste correct?
Oh, so that's just a random list of people, some of who may be introverts, eh? How pointless.
Honestly, you are going nowhere here. Once more- Batman is not an introvert of any sort.
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Thunder- I dunno if you are talking about post VII there, but I certainly see none of what you see in the game. And I am happy to bank on the respect I get around here for things like my review threads when it comes to statements on such things, yes.
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