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Exactly my point. She-hulk would win the majority, if not all of them if they were in an arena setting. Nobody here was debating how much tougher she is, only that he's got an edge while he's got the whole city as his playground. He's proven time and time again that he's able to take down physically superior opponents by using the environment to his advantage.
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spiderman takes on and defeats superior opponents thru cis/pis. written correctly and without cis she hulk wins everytime in spite of the city environment. you all seem to fail to realise that she hulk is an accomplished MA. who has used nerve strikes to take down opponents before, which is something that spiderman would fall to. last time I checked spiderman can't out last her in the stamina department, a character who has actually gone toe to toe with the hulk unscathed instead of hitting and running, plus peter wont be throwing dump trucks at her all day, he's not that strong. jennifer is not a typical dumb brick she ain't falling for the old bait and grab, he's not drowning her because that requires grappling and she would overpower him I can't think of any plausible way for him to win
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I'm sorry, you can call it PIS/CIS all you want, but that's how Spidey beats stronger foes. He draws them into a chase, then uses everything in the environment to his advantage in order to win.
Okay, so there's a bit of CIS (and PIS for that matter) here, but Firelord is a much tougher opponent than She-hulk and the exploding gas station that leveled a whole block would've been more than enough to stop her. His last stance against Firelord admittedly shouldn't have worked, since Firelord could have used any number of things within his power set to end the fight, but put She-hulk in that same spot and she'd be toast. She might be a good fighter, but she has to touch him first and at his best, he doesn't get touched.
As for throwing dump trucks at her, he doesn't need to. He could web her feet and swing her into the dump truck. This won't stop her, but it will hurt and if she gets hurt enough, she will go down. This is what Spidey does best, he wears his opponent down until he wins.
Again, you can call it PIS/CIS all you want, but that's how Spidey's been doing it from day one and he's really good at it. Still given him the win 7/10
And please don't get the impression that I hate She-hulk, cause I don't. I've always liked her. I just don't think she'd win, given the environment advantage. Spidey would just keep dodging or out of reach until he figured out someway to stop her. Who knows, maybe all these years, PIS and CIS has been his most potent super power.
You seriously think that Spider-Mna can hurt her by tossing her into stuff, she's fought Hulk and other high tier bricks and come out okay, WWH one shotted her and she was still conscious and scared ot death, but otherwise unhurt. If WWh hit Spidey as hard as he hit Jen, what do you think would have happened?
I see this going a lot like the fight with Titania in Secret Wars.
In a city with a lot of room Spidy can win 6-7/ 10
She Hulk's durable yeah, but in an environment that is perfectly tailored for Spiderman, who's taken out bricks like her before via use of his surroundings, he can win this. There's also the fact she probably wouldn't lay a finger on him.
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I see spiderman is taking on a logan-esque quality around these boards with recent threads. Although this is not as spite as say him versus Colossus its still not a battle where for all practical purposes he can win the majority.
Scenario 1: He webs her, either by aiming at an appendage or completely enveloping her. He either A, gets swung around by his own line or B, she breaks out the webbing cacoon which would deplete his webbing since he's back to web shooters.
Scenario 2: He webs her feet and attempts to sling her into a building or dump truck, gasoline truck type equipment. This ain't KOing her and imo its highly unlikely that he'd cause an area explosion or level a building in a city. Its out of character since he's bloodlusted, where's Jen has shown as quick to anger as her cousin and while spidermans out saving bystanders.
Scenario 3: He attempts to drown her. Big mistake, she will quickly overpower her and be on the defensive potentially getting drowned himself.
Scenario 4: CQB or H2H, fisticuffs whatever. Worse mistake than scenario, people tend to misunderstand the workings of peters spider sense through the wonders of movie magic. Yes its borderline precog yet once the danger is assessed it only alerts him of a new threat that he is not consciously engaging. Say he's fighting Jen then suddenly someone like Deadpool throws a punch behind him, he WOULD be able to dodge that because his spider sense would perceive the new threat and force his body to dodge. However if he's just fighting Jen then he won't be able to predict her strikes, (she does have superhuman speed herself) otherwise he'd predict moves from other MAs which history shows us he can't.
Im not hating on peter, I just see no way he can win, without cis/pis on a brick with MA skills fighting to her potential. He neither has the stamina to outlast nor the strength to out fight her.
Actually its quite the opposite. Spiderman wins because he is supposed to. He loses because of PIS/CIS. Imagine having foreknowledge of any attack before it comes. Imagine that you are jerked and maneuvered out of the way of an attack without your consent. Imagine you see bullets in super slow motion. How in the hell would you get hit? Even Spidey has dodged homing lasers before. Unless She-Hulk can thunderclap she's not hitting Spidey at his best. Spidey is has proven more than strong enough to hurt her and has leveled beings more durable than her..
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I like She-hulk as much as I like Spider-man. I'm just stating my opinion of who I think would win and why. You are entitled to yours, but, as you've seen, I disagree.
I'm sure at some point, probably early on, he'd try webbing her eyes and other similar tricks. However, he'd find out quickly that these tactics won't work (and probably pay for it with some "glancing blows"). Still, he'd recover quickly, as he always does, and look for other solutions to the threat.
Maybe not one dump truck, building or gasoline truck, will take her down, but all of them, along with lamp posts, electric boxes, fire hydrants, gas station explosions and probably even the kitchen sink thrown in for good measure, all spread out through a long drawn out battle and they will eventually wear her down. She'll be taking hits a lot more than he will in this fight.
The only way he'd attempt to drown her, is if he could somehow do it from a safe distance. Maybe he could think of a clever way to do this, but right now I can't think of one, so I doubt he'd try it.
I'm not sure where you are getting your facts about his Spider Senses, but they are wrong. He senses each and every danger that comes at him. Every punch, every bullet, every surprise attack. If he just sensed the initial threat, his long history as a crime fighter would've ended pretty quickly.
If he was forced to go toe to toe with her, which he'd avoid at all costs, he'd still be near impossible for her to hit. However, this is were the other 3/10 comes from. As I've said, if she did manage to get her hands on him, he'd be finished.
I see tons of ways for him to win, as shown countless times throughout his extensive history that show him taking out bigger fish than her, but, clearly, you don't. That's fine, this is just my opinion. We obviously see the feats he's accomplished differently.
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Oh, I forgot to comment on how others manage to hit him. He gets hit for a number of reasons. 1. He lets his guard down. 2. He screws up and underestimates the threat level of the danger and pays for it. 3. His opponent tricks him in a way that leaves him vulnerable. 4. His opponent studies/figures out his fighting style and predicts where he will move (as when the Punisher figured out how he'd react to being shot at and compensated with his shots and actually hit Spidey). 5. The danger is somehow unavoidable. 6. Too many dangers at once. 7. Bad writing (this also includes CIS and PIS).
I'm sure there are more reasons, but these are the ones I could think of quickly. None of these have anything to do with him not sensing the danger, just him not responding to the danger correctly. Since the conditions for this fight state that he's fighting at his peak, very few, if any of these conditions would apply here.
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Oh, I forgot to comment on how others manage to hit him. He gets hit for a number of reasons. 1. He lets his guard down. 2. He screws up and underestimates the threat level of the danger and pays for it. 3. His opponent tricks him in a way that leaves him vulnerable. 4. His opponent studies/figures out his fighting style and predicts where he will move (as when the Punisher figured out how he'd react to being shot at and compensated with his shots and actually hit Spidey). 5. The danger is somehow unavoidable. 6. Too many dangers at once. 7. A danger that is, very rarely, too fast for him to avoid (I suppose this would fall under unavoidable though ) 8. Bad writing (this also includes CIS and PIS).
I'm sure there are more reasons, but these are the ones I could think of quickly. None of these have anything to do with him not sensing the danger, just him not responding to the danger correctly. Since the conditions for this fight state that he's fighting at his peak, very few, if any of these conditions would apply here.
The references to Firelord are needless. He's got plenty of other showings that justify backing him. And if one (probably rightly) thinks that Shulky is slightly > Titania, it just means the fight would take a bit longer, not that it couldn't be done.
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Mar 20th, 2009 02:36 PM
) 8. Bad writing (this also includes CIS and PIS).
