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Scuzz2.0
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is it speculation or do we know for sure that this is happening?


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Old Post Mar 27th, 2009 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by Starscream M
so why don't we just ban the posters who abuse the report button instead...I would say that would solve 60% of the problem

you know how sometimes you have to close a thread because it gets too many reports? I never understood why the people who were constantly reporting didn't just ignore the thread...no one's forcing them to read it.
it's not that clear cut, 20 posters can report once about the same troll.


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and banning you would solve the other 40%..........
then who would be left to crush your wolverine fantasies? roll eyes (sarcastic)


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Originally posted by psycho gundam
please be joking...
Sadly, it's true.
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Originally posted by Battlehammer
guilty









I HATE SUPERMAN AND HE LOSES

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Originally posted by Starscream M
so why don't we just ban the posters who abuse the report button instead...I would say that would solve 60% of the problem

you know how sometimes you have to close a thread because it gets too many reports? I never understood why the people who were constantly reporting didn't just ignore the thread...no one's forcing them to read it.
It sets a bad precedent. We want people to report but the reports should be valid. People use it as a way to bring heat on their forum nemesis.


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Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's not that clear cut, 20 posters can report once about the same troll.
that would be a different case

but it is my belief that a small percentage of posters (less than 5%) make the vast majority of reports (over 70%)...they are part of the problem.


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I think I may have reported once or twice my entire time here.


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Originally posted by Badabing
Sadly, it's true.
It sets a bad precedent. We want people to report but the reports should be valid. People use it as a way to bring heat on their forum nemesis.
how would it be bad precedent to ban someone who misuses the report function? that wouldn't discourage people from using report when well deserved...ie when someone is clearly member bashing, or spamming, etc.


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and banning you would solve the other 40%..........
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then who would be left to crush your wolverine fantasies? roll eyes (sarcastic)
Oh you two. laughing out loud

I dedicate this video to the both of you.


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I mean to me, the problem is clear

1. VS forum gets a shitload of reports

2. mods get fed up with tons and tons of frivolous and trivial and repetitive reports

3. solution: make sure report is being properly used, and not abused

4. concrete step: give warnings to people who abuse the report button (ie. the dumb shit Bada pointed out with 'superman wins'...that does not deserve being reported, it deserves being ignored)

5. result: the VS forum will see a tremendous decrease in reports

6. beneficial side effect: global mods gain a more favorable view of the VS forum


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Oh you two. laughing out loud

I dedicate this video to the both of you.


I dedicate this to you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtkDpYlySRM

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Is it possible to ban the global mods?

I'll pm the admins.


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Originally posted by Starscream M
I mean to me, the problem is clear

1. VS forum gets a shitload of reports

2. mods get fed up with tons and tons of frivolous and trivial and repetitive reports

3. solution: make sure report is being properly used, and not abused

4. concrete step: give warnings to people who abuse the report button (ie. the dumb shit Bada pointed out with 'superman wins'...that does not deserve being reported, it deserves being ignored)

5. result: the VS forum will see a tremendous decrease in reports

6. beneficial side effect: global mods gain a more favorable view of the VS forum
Yes, those are good steps. And the last time this forum was in trouble, most everyone stepped up for a while. Then we all just fell into our old habits.
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Originally posted by Mindset
Is it possible to ban the global mods?

I'll pm the admins.
Raz has full confidence in the global mods.


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how you like the video

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how you like the video
You're very talented. stick out tongue


It was funny. laughing out loud


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That was an oversight on my part.

The main problem is that people get too wound up and are too quick to bash and flame. It's obvious that there are pro Marvel posters and pro DC posters. If you can't convince a fanboy that their character will lose then it's best to agree to disagree. If you can't get along with a poster then it's best to use the ignore.

I get reports because someone posts Superman wins or Hulk wins.


For me the funny part of that is that I suspect a lot of people here would think me a DC fanboy if they had any opinion about it when I read tons more Marvel but then there are threads where OPs put DC light speed types against MU characters that would be statues by comparison or total mismatches and then get mad when anyone thinks the DC guy wins. The thing that gets me most is people ignoring the abilities of the characters but doing it selectively.

One thing that might help is to look at the high-end abilities of some of the characters controversy often arises about and have some sort of official stance as to what their high-end feats are for debate purposes. But of course, if there are no consequences for ignoring those feats, people will ignore them.

Sure we can all use the 'ignore' button but that's a temporary solution. You end up with those not adhering to the rules dominating the place.

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Re: Re: Re: The state of the forum

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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
All I did was make the topic. I'm almost at the point where I say let it burn. whistle

Although:

"I am new here so I hope this doesn't come off as too presumptious.

Why can't the powers that be simply allow the VS forum to be a no mans land?

They can put a special disclaimer at the top of the forum and allow self-policing. The truly egregious parties will mos6 likely venture out and get banned anyway."

This idea has merit. Anarchy ftw? stick out tongue I'm well aware that I'm probably the guy who at least some people will blame for this.

Which isn't entirely inaccurate, but I'm more ambivalent than anything else. wink

"This is the will of Metatron."


You CLEARLY are a man of reason!

Anarchy, it is the only way out.

In your hearts, you KNOW I'm right! cool

A band of 7 respected posters can handle the problems in this forum before it reaches a higher level.


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Originally posted by Badabing
You're very talented. stick out tongue


It was funny. laughing out loud

lol

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Agreed. The first step to making this place work is to set hard and fast rules for debates. Loose rules with occasional patches to cover holes are not working and never really did work.

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I understand peoples hesitance and all due to the potential for abuse, but if things got taken too far and no one liked it another revision could be attempted. As is, I don't think productive discussions will ever be the "norm" as everyone's allowed to debate however they want. If that were the case they wouldn't need an established format for Presidential Debates because the candidates could just get up there and discuss things in a civil manner. If two 40+ year old men who are attempting to sway the opinions of the entire nation on live TV can't behave themselves in a debate without a specific format doesn't it seem a little unrealistic to expect a bunch of nameless/faceless people of varying ages, backgrounds, and possibly cultures to do so? I mean sure, in an ideal world we could probably all get along without incident but I don't see that happening any time soon.


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