As I said, the rules aren't in question. The rules work in every other forum. It's the posters of the vs forum in general.
I've stated before that when I originally posted the Attention thread, things went smoothly for a good while. Reports were way down.
The OTF doesn't have 1/10 the problems we have in the vs forum.
This thread proves as much. We had people bashing and throwing accusations in a thread designed to talk about the possibility of the vs forum closing.
One more time, it's not the rules, it's the posters. Everybody is to blame. Raoul, Rex and I modified and clarified the rules. People just don't care. The ignore option is not used enough.
We have people who want the mods to police and ref the forum. We have other people who want the inmates running the asylum. The current rules are clear. A lot of people on here have no concept of self responsibility.
There's nothing wrong with the rules, just with the posters who frequently ignore them. They are just between herochat and cbr, without stepping in the idiocy of either of those boards, which is just fine.
And as much as I'd like to blame it on the moderators for not banning some of the idiots who were running rampant on this board, I see their point of view. The ignore option is the best, and the report button should be used only when insults and obvious trolling takes place. Some posters, like quarver zone () may seem like they're trolling, but it's probably just the way they percieve things. So yeah, ignore is the best. (though in some cases, the stupidity does breach into the realms of trolling, like some of the anti-Supes/Unless you can outprep Doom you can't beat Punisher etc. posts)
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Why are members that continuously break the rules not perma banned ? You think the posters that see this will care about following the rules ? It's a joke the leniency some of these older members that continuously break the rules get around here. So I guess the problem truly starts from the top down.
Ah, my bad. I thought you were referencing KMC because there's no set way to debate.
You know you'd think so, but if that were people's natural inclination we wouldn't need mods to do anything but Stick threads to the top of the page .
Yeah people have the option of using the ignore, but they also have the option of using the report. As long as the person being reported is in violation of the Forum Rules in the opinion of the person doing the reporting we can't really hold it against them can we? I mean if the person they're debating against is actually using an instance of PIS or refusing to post proof then why not report them since a rule's being broken? If the person being reported is actually breaking the rule then tell him to stop. If there's not a rule being broken, tell the reporter why it's NOT against the rules(so the reports not repeated by someone else) and be done with the issue. Otherwise the reports are just going to keep on happening because both the people reporting and the people being reported all think that THEY have a better handle on the rules then the other guy.
I know, and that sucks. That's why I think you guys ought to be given more power, so you can step in and directly tell people to knock it off without having to worry about being removed from your position.
Those kinds of standards are easy to enforce on a small group, but it gets a lot harder as the group increases in size.
That's what people have been doing up until now, and look where that got the forum. There are literally tens of rules-violating-reportable posts in every popular thread, and most of them from the same persons. Low-balling characters has happened for years, and no rule is ever going to change that, and the moderators can't just start warning/banning people every time that happens, since there are quite a few posters who use this kind of tactics. Ignoring them is the best and usefull solution for this forum, imo.
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I always thought report button was used to report people who were bashing
if someone debating tactics suck, just ignore them...that'll work far better than reporting. mods aren't here to police how we debate, they're here to make sure we're civil while debating.
I think over the years, people started expecting mods to police the debating rules, which is not their original duty.
I know that no rule will change it just as no law will ever stop any particular crime, only the proper ENFORCEMENT of the rule will. And I'm not talking about bannings(as you said this will rapidly deplete the forum's population), I'm just talking about addressing things specifically rather than telling everyone to start being nice and hoping for the best.
In most debate forums, moderators DO police debates just as Moderators in real world debates do. At herochat rule breakers are openly called out and laughed at by the mods, and at CBR they're quickly banned. Radically different styles of enforcement but both ensure fairly structured debates as those who don't conform to debating standards are quickly driven off. People still disagree on matches, but very little debates takes place as to what is and isn't against the rules because everybody knows. On KMC, everybody interprets the rules differently so no one really knows what is and isn't allowed so it's argued endlessly and the reports flood in as a result.
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Mar 28th, 2009 09:42 PM
) may seem like they're trolling, but it's probably just the way they percieve things. So yeah, ignore is the best. (though in some cases, the stupidity does breach into the realms of trolling, like some of the anti-Supes/Unless you can outprep Doom you can't beat Punisher etc. posts)
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