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The entire rest of the arc along with Thor's past battles and the difficulty he's had with them, yet the ease with which he had against the top tiers in B&T.
Doesn't even matter if it wasn't 'true' Warrior's Madness that Thor was in. He created an entirely different persona. He was clearly insane. He clearly received some kind of power boost from that insanity. I don't mind calling it "Pseudo-Warrior's Madness" or something else so long as its acknowledged that clearly Thor had some sort of upgrade to his power during the events of that arc.
No, but the three of us almost never agree on anything as a whole so throwing you into the mix doesn't do much to increase the unlikelihood of it happening. It's like the odds against someone getting struck by lightning 10 times or them getting struck 11. Sure it's more unlikely, but does it really matter at that point ?
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Superman would win even without the sundip.
The strength bonus that Thor got from his insanity is drastically offset by the retardation and loss of versatility. Not to mention the speed edge.
Or the fact that Darkseid was stalemating this version of Superman in CQC, despite being weakened from expending the OE to amp Supes against Imperiex. I don't see Thor doing that well against DS.
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Um, that doesn't help your case - it hurts it. A weakened Darkseid was still able to stalemate Supes physically. That means a non Omega Power-drained Darkseid would've overpowered him.
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So it doesn't help your argument that a weakened DS was able to physically stalemate Superman, when more recent versions of Superman have overpowered him physically while Darkseid was not weakened. This indicates that OWAW Supes wasn't as strong as he is currently.
What battles in the past with Warlock or Surfer did he have troubles with? The only one who seemingly jobbed was Beta Ray Bill and that's easily explainable by his constant wish to not fight Thor and Thor always clobbering BRB with b1tch attacks.
The only power boost that was suggested was super-quick healing spurred on by the Valkyrie. But Thor's always healed quickly from righteous beatdowns to mount a superior counter-assault. Think about the ridiculous whuppin Mangog put on him in the Tears of the Gods storyline and not a few minutes later he gets up, kills Mangog and starts sustaining amped Thanosi's attacks before he was even given Odinpower-enchanted armor. It's easy to assume Blood and Thunder Thor was amped, but nowhere in the story did it state or suggest that his psychosis caused him to become 10X stronger or anything analogous. It's obvious that Thor was not holding back and being driven into bloodlust whereas his opponents were for the most part, holding back and not trying to harm him AND Thor kept b1tching them with initial hits. Accounting for that, I see absolutely no need to create an artificial amp to explain the battles' outcomes.
Thor wasn't amped in any event. He was not holding back and his madness made him far more formidable in this arc.
Thor has defeated characters with speed before. This was well above the Surfer and Warlock at the same time. He annihilated them.
Superman stalemated Ds, but I have seen Superman do far better in other storylines.
Thor from this storyline was well above Darkseid as well imo and his hammer can negate anything the oe can bring to the table. After one full blast Ds will be spent anyways.
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