Not before Voldemort death spells his overgrown smurf looking ass.
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The assumption is valid because Occlumency or variants haven't shown an ounce of the power that Xavier's mind can muster. We already know that Occlumency varies in effect depending on the power and skill of the user and opponent. Since Xavier (and Pheonix) logically eclipses the four occlumens in both of these, he would logically (look it up someday) tear right through their defences. Not to mention that Xavier can take control of every other wizard on the field and make them attack the big bad 4. Since Pheonix can't block even a singlr death spell according to you, how do you think they'll deal with 30+.
Plus Occlumency specifically blocks magical attempts to enter the mind. Since telepathy is something different, it should bypass it.
Like the assumption that a death spell is instantaneous, without any hope of blocking or dodging at all. Or the assumption that despite having actually shown something, it doesn't count.
A Protego can be shattered with a well placed jelly-legs. How do you think it'll handle blows that can bend metal, lift dozens of cars at a time or disintergrate things. Not to mention that Protego is literally a glorified shield, and can be easily bypassed by going round or above. Or that the wizards would never get a chance to use it before dying.
Also I love how you totally ignored my last post. Nice ostrich defence.
Well first of all I am not a wizard, so I wasnt taking it that seriously.
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There is no "logic" in saying Xavier and Phoenix eclipses an accomplished user of Occlumency, it is only an assumption.
4? Dude, Aurors. They are dark wizard hunters. Logic points to them knowing Occlumency.
Not to mention that Legilimency, if employed by Voldemort, will likely have the same effect on Xavier that Xavier will have on a wizard.
Also, Protego Totalum prevents ANYTHING from passing through. Anything means, well, like....anything and everything.
Xavier taking over 30 plus wizards, well, Voldemort can just as easily tale over Phoenix, you know.
Oh yeah, as chos stated, voldy gets killed, he can then possess mutant after mutant and kill them all.
Only magic can block a death spell. And it is as near to being instant as DP's attacks are. Bellatrix lands with her wand raised and utters the spell and kills Sirius in less than a second.
Dude, Protego Totalum prevents ANYTHING from getting through. The wizards need only have three or four of them cast overlapping shields, front and back, and sit back and watch as the mutants throw everything they have at them and fail.
And what of the Dementors? How will the mutants deal with Dementors? Cuz there are like hundreds of them.
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The first part, chos has countered already. Voldemort can possess a mutant easier than pie after he has been killed. Even if a mutant had iron will, they will be in battle, no way can they fight AND resist Voldemort.
Iceman is useless. Wizards will use Reducto or Bombarda to blow his ice walls to shit.
Dude, all wizards are taught to apparate at age 16. Nice try though.
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Yes there is. If you say they are equal, prove it. Xavier actually has strong feats backing him up, along with the apparently uncommon trait of logic thats my side of the argument.
Logic doesn't mean s*it without some support. You have none.
Not even close. Voldy can mess with the mind, Xavier can flat out control it. They're on a completely different scale.
Really? Even a Death Spell? Didn't think so. Prove it.
Phoenix is a better telepath than Xavier. I call bullshit on this one.
No he can't. I've dealt with this already.
Even if he can, Xavier can still attack his mind, unless you're arguing he doesn't have one. And it takes him years to do this. The mutants would have mindf*cked Dumbledore, found the Horcruxes and destroyed them by then.
No it can't. Only physical things can stop a death spell (well, and love apparently). Otherwise any evil wizard could just turn in a circle firing DS after DS and solo the world.
No it isn't.
Phoenix would have vaporised him in half.
Prove it.
Protego stops spells, not telekinesis or telepathy. And they'd still ahve to drop the shield to counterattack, during which they get pwned.
No dementors. Dealt with this as well. I'll repost.
No, the one before that one
No.
Well, damn. I guess he just stands there like a moron after that huh? What? He actually isn't dumb as hell!? Oh goody.
They take classes, but do they automatically pass? No.
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Again, I never saw her wiping out EVERYONE in a millisecond.
No, but she can attack in a millisecond, or at least the speed of thought. It then takes moments for the effects to play out, during which the wizards would be too preoccupied by having their limbs disintegrating to cast any spells. Point is, as soon as she becomes aware of an opponent they're dead. And for your 'apparate and DS her' plan, it's still a case of reactions, as in they wouldn't apparate with their wands already pointing to the exact spot where she is, they would still need to target. So it becomes a battle of reflexes, and not even you can argue that speed of thought<speed of arm.
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no way in hell she targets ALL wizards and wastes them ALL before they can get a death spell at her.
She isn't going to be fighting them ALL though. This fight is IN Hogwarts, so they will be fighting in corridors, which means 5-7 attackers at once max. AND, death spells take time to get to her, meaning she will have ample time to block them with walls, teammates etc
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And let her rip the walls apart to block their spells. Hermione and Umbridge will blow the walls to shit and give the wizards a clean shot at DP.
First, that spell doesn't disintergrate things, so she can still use the rubble left over, and its doubtful the pieces would go far. Second, unless those two time their attack VERY well with death eaters (unlikely) she will still have plenty of time to get something else to hide behind AND disintergrate those two as well.
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Really now? The three of them, their combined might, is no match for Xavier? Reality check, dude. Xavier mind rapes humans, with the exception of Toad and sabretooth.
Xavier is so far ahead of the wizard three its ridiculous. Xavier AND Pheonix would make each and every wizard their b*tch, with Voldamort on the floor thinking he's a 12 yr old girl. And Voldamorts crappy economy telepathy can be blocked by humans, Harry blocked it no problem, without doing ANYTHING magical. The feats of the wizard 3 combined cannot even come close to Xaviers feats.
At the very least, Xavier would keep Voldamort incapacitated long enough for someone to kill him.
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Again, apparate away and death spell. Bye bye Kitty.
Its already been shown that this isn't the case, and a death spell would go right through Kitty.
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Mhm, cua the wizards are gonan just sit there playing qith their wands and LET her do this.
How are they going to stop her? How are the going to dodge something coming out of the ground or the walls? They can't do anything to her and eventually she'll get them
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Get a grip, man. And IF she drags a wizard into the ground, so what? Apparate out of the ground and back on to solid ground.
Not true.
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Imperius only works on the weak minded? Is this said in the movies? Cuz you know Viktor Krum was like the best student at his school, not exactly a weak minded person.
Being intelligent and being weak-willed are two different things. Harry Potter broke out of it with sheer will-power. If Harry can, Pheonix can, hell, Wolverine can.
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Point is she is never shown using a knife, so for all we know, she sucks ass with one. Screen feats and facts only please.
It doesn't matter if shes clumsy as hell, shes too fast to defend against her even if shes flailing wildly. And being able to use tools is one of the most basic human attributes, it doesn't need proof that it can be done.
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Exactly, wizards only, and all the powers that a wizard can employ. One of Umbridges powers is that since she works for the ministry, she can summon the dementors. And dude, the dementors will be there at the start of the battle, NOT at Azkaban. Nice try though.
That is a job, not an power. If a combatant is a cop, does he start out with the entire police force? No. If he's a mobster, does he start out with hitmen and goons? No. If he works at the ministry, does he start out with Dementors? NO.
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And Lupin. The Werewolf. Will the mutants have a supply of silver weapons to take him down?
He gets disintergrated. Next.
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Again, Will gave me the OK to use dementors.
A lie. I checked.
Thanksbig grin I was thinking that since nearly headless nick was affected by the basalisk in COS, and thats a type of magic, that means kitty would probably be affected by magic. Since a ghost is able to "phase", tho not by choice.
You can't prove that its a type of magic. If anything it seems to be a type of mutation, ironically.[/quote]
Protego Totalum
Description: Casts a sheild charm over a small area that will not let anything pass through.
Etymology: Latin protego meaning "to protect" and Latin totus meaning "as a whole".
Being a good telepath does not make one immune to PHYSICAL possession.
Voldy can and certainly would do this.
Find and destroy the hocruxes? OK, so Hermione uses her time turner to go back in time with Voldemort and when the mutants come for the hocruxes, he kills them all. Or go back in time and kill Xavier years prior, and kill Jean Grey before she is DP.
When I said block, I meant counter. Of course solid objects can block a death spell. But Reducto and Bombarda Maxima will turn those solid objects into dust.
So Bellatrix landing and death spelling Sirius in less than a second is not near instantaneous/ Cedric Diggory being killed in even less time is not near instantaneous?
Not if he used Protego.
I only meant that Protego stops physical attacks and atttacks like DP's on the rag hissy fit menstral disintegration dance. And the definition of Protego says nothing of spells going OUT.
I spoke to Will personally on this, and he allowed dementors, Umbridge can summon them anytime she wants, so yeah, they are a weapon.
I never said he would just stand there.
I am sure there are a handful of dumbasses who fail apparition, but they can always retake the exam, you know.
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Yes you can. If its a duel between a handgun and a nuke over which is more damaging, the nuke would win easily, going from observation, facts etc. If its a duel betwwen Xavier and Voldemort over whos the greater telepath, Xavier would easily win, going from observation, facts, feats etc.
Yeah, but that doesn't actually prove anything, and in this world, proof is kind of a big deal. It shows they might, or probably do, not provably so though.
Obviously you don't know the meaning of hyperbole.
The Killing Curse is a spell that causes instantaneous death and is one of the three Unforgivable Curses. There is no known counter-curse or cure for it; however, one may dodge the green bolt or use a physical barrier to block it. An explosion or green fire may result if the spell hits something other than a living target. Lord Voldemort was famous for using this curse regularly and indiscriminately. Its incantation is Avada Kedavra.
Avada Kedarva is unblockable by magic. This effectively cancels the 'will not let anything pass through it', huh?
But Voldemort isn't a physical being is he? He exists as a form of spirit. He goes right through Harry for Gods sake! Obviously his form of possession is some kind of method to possess the mind or soul, both of which Phoenix should logically be able to effect. Voldemort even states himself that a 'gullible and foolish' s needed for the possession. Naturally though this argument is pointless becuase A) Voldemorts horcrux effects are not allowed in this fight and B) It takes years for him to gather enough strength to do anything, by which he would have been killed.
No.
Can't change the past, did you even read POA? And Hermione no longer has a time-turner and they're locked up in the ministry so...
No they won't. They only blow them to pieces. Pieces which can be re-used.
And to quote 'are you high, or just incredibly stupid?' Do you seriously believe that a wizard will be able to let off 2-3 spells (reducto and death spells) before Phoenix can kill him? Becuase that Is crazy.
As I said before, a Protego can be shattered by a jelly-legs, what do you think Phoenix' TK will do to it. And as also already said, protego is a flat barrier, TK can go around or over to hit.
Casts a sheild charm over a small area that will not let anything pass through.
Fail.
I want some proof of that please. And the Dementors CANNOT be summoned to this fight, unless you take away the spells on Hogwarts that specifically prevent beings from magically entering the castle.
You implied that one reducto would instantly put him down, which is laughable.
I know. But do they always pass that time? Is there any proof that anyone passes?
Simply saying that everyone takes the lesson isn't enough to prove everyone over sixteen can apparate.
Seriously, just give up, I've obliterated everyone of your arguments, your tactics for victory are simplistic, stupid and impracticable and around 50% of your arguments have no proof whatso ever. Just give up. You will lose.
If Voldemort invades the mind of a mutant and kills said mutant, it doesnt get much more damaging than that. Especially when he is doing it left and right.
Voldemort can "control" ones mind. This means they do what he wishes. Same as Xavier. Voldemort can control ones mind via Legilimency, or possess them after he is killed. Ths makes him that much more of a threat than Xavier.
Doesnt prove anything, nothing any of us are saying here is proving anything.
I am talking about attacks that mutants throw at the wizards, Of course Avada Kedavra is unblockable, thats old news.
Voldemorts plan had been ruined when Harry destroyed the sorcerors stone. Possessing Harry would have been a moot point. He ran so that he could again bide his time and await another oppurtunity.
BTW, You do know what happened when Lily sacrificed herself to save Harry, yes?
Just cuz, eh?
So you are telling me that if Voldemort got his hands on a time turner, he would not use it in a proactive fashion to protect himself, and to dispatch his would be dispatchers?
And while DP is reusing the shattered pieces, a dementor will swoop in and administer the dementors kiss. The only defense against a dementor is a Patronus, which she cannot do. Not to mention she cannot SEE them.
WTF is this jelly legs you speak of?
Will not let anything through towards the caster, didnt say anything about the caster allowing his or her spell through the opposite way. I know thats a bit out there, just a theory.
Umbridge works for Fudge, who is head of the ministry, the ministry controls dementors, do the math. They will have the dementors in place before the battle even begins.
The spells are easily lifted, you do know that, right?
I doubt Ice will just stand there, but if he DOES get hit with reducto, it will **** him up.
As I said, surely some cannot do it at first, but it's only logical that they'd learn it in time.
Get off your high horse, you have obliterated shit, you are merely stating your opinions, as I am stating mine. Lose? Since when is this a pissing contest?
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Let's say Voldemort is sitting there, knowing that the battle is coming. He gets his hands on a time turner and Harry's invisibility cloak. He travels back in time to when Xavier knew nothing of wizards, much less of a battle with them. He dons the cloak, employs Occlumency, sneaks up and death spells Xavier. At the same time, several of his death eaters have their own time turners, and, dressing as civilians, they corner Jean Grey and death spell her ass.
Yes, Voldemort would do this, he is an evil bastard, and his death eaters would carry out his orders without question. The battle is over before it even begins.
I love time travel.
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That would work, only if Xavier wasn't the world's most powerful telepath. As soon as Xavier could "hear" voldemort, presto, frozen. And, yes, this does take into account that Xavier knows nothing of Voldy. Doesn't mean Xavier can't "hear" Voldy's killing intent.
You are missing the point. Surely there was a time when neither of them knew anything of each other. Hell, Voldemort could travel as far back as Xaviers childhood, or even go back and kill Xavier's mother while he is in her womb.
Voldemort will be using Occlumency (Which he is a master at, BTW) and will be under an invisibility cloak. His thoughts will be shielded, as well as his physical form. Voldemort apparates and BAM Xavier is dead. He could even wait until Xavier is sleeping, take a magic marker, and write "Wolvie gave it to me in da butt" on his face!!!
In her womb.....Why am I giggling at that?
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Voldy would only have to apparate feet away, death spell Xavier, and be gone before anyone knows what happened. It took less than a second for Bellatrix for death spell sirius, Voldy will be MUCH faster, practically instantaneous. I cant see Xavier reacting in time.
Tell me a part in the movie where it places restrictions on how far one can travel back in time. Right back atcha.
Harry read Voldy's mind because of the connection between them
BTW, I am only being half serious here
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Still doesn't work. Nothing stops Xavier from protecting himself. he doesn't just sit there. Show me in the movie where someone..anyone, gets the drop on Xavier.
There's a reason they don't.
But, wait, you said Voldy had the best Occlumency skills. Why couldn't he stop Harry with his massive powers? Could it be that the telepathic powers of magic users is very limited, at best?
Now, we have DP. At no point do we see DP reading Xavier's mind, but he is digging and chipping away at hers and reading her thoughts. Logic would lend itself to believing Xavier really is the most powerful telepath on Earth. Teehee.
And I'm being my typical smartass self. Like I told you before...I don't like that Xavier is in this because he ruins everything.
I am sure there are moments when Xavier is daydreaming, maybe about Storm's bewbz, maybe about Rogue in the shower. There are surely many times on an average day when he would be vulnerable. Also, what enemy of Xavier's can do what Voldy can do? Travel back in time, invisible, and Apparate? None.
Dude, Voldy placed the images in Harry's head. Remember when Lucius said "You saw what the Dark Lord saw what he wanted you to see?"
In a world devoid of wizards, devoid of someone of Voldemorts power. Teehee infinity.
It's all opinions, man. This is what happens when two drastically different worlds collide here. Massive power against massive power.
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