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Originally posted by WO Polaski
it would take them literally months to years to kill all 9000 of them. that means the clones can basically just ignore the dementors completely and take whatever losses they take and kill literally everything else. Hogwarts is destroyed all the students are dead the order is dead the teachers are dead theres just a bunch of dementors running around. the thread starter never said everyone had to be dead he said hogwarts vs. the 501st. if all the children are dead and hogwarts is destroyed then the clones won.


The wizards who can apparate side apparate away all the wizards. Dementors go to work on the clones.

Months? Dude, takes maybe a minute for a dementor to render one useless. There are HUNDREDS of dementors, do the math.


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[B]The wizards who can apparate side apparate away all the wizards. Dementors go to work on the clones.



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Just for fun, the Death Eaters and Voldy are helping to defend the castle.


its not a death match. the object is to defend Hogwarts. wizards running away and dementors being invincible will not keep hogwarts standing. in fact apparating away would be retreating from the base theyre supposed to defend.


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So, you take away one of Umbridges most powerful weapons, AND outnumber the wizards? Yeah, real fair.

Umbridge is a hogwarts teacher, the dementors are under her control, not to include them is like sending the clones in unarmed.

And you know full well I am a rabid SW fan, so stop with the fanboy bullshit. If anything, its you knowing shit about the HP movies.


It's a wizard vs trooper fight, simple as that, can magic defeat technology. In this case, it can't. If Hogwarts gets Dementors under it's power, then why don't the Clones get their starships?

I know you are, which is what makes it even more freighting, your HP fanboyism has actually superseded your SW fanboyism and is causing you to think completely irrational here, where you think mostly children with wands and a handful of powerful wizards are taking down hundreds (if not thousands) of battle hardened advanced-tech genetically engineered soldiers. I don't think even Omgcos's HP fanboyism would lead him this astray.

BTW, all I need to know about HP to debate in here is the movies, so I do know my shit.


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and vehicles and starship are apart of the 501st legion's weapon set meaning no one would even have to set foot in the school the whole building could just be bombarded from 500 feet up. erm
Bring it on. As I said, all wizards will apparate/side apparate away from the field, and the dementors will have clone soup for lunch. There is literally no way the clones can fight the dementors. None whatsoever, not with any of their weapons, AT AT's included. All the wizards live, all the clones die.


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It's a wizard vs trooper fight, simple as that, can magic defeat technology. In this case, it can't. If Hogwarts gets anything under it's power, then why don't the clones get their starships?

I know you are, which is what makes it even more freighting, your HP fanboyism has actually superseded your SW fanboyism and is causing you to think completely irrational here, where you think mostly children with wands and a handful of powerful wizards are taking done hundreds (if not thousands) of battle hardened advanced-tech soldiers. I don't think even Omgcos's HP fanboyism would lead him this astray.

BTW, all I need to know about HP to debate in here is the movies, so I do know my shit.


Dementors, dude, Dementors. Explain how the clones defeat the Dementors.

Go ahead, make some shit up, I'll wait.


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Bring it on. As I said, all wizards will apparate/side apparate away from the field, and the dementors will have clone soup for lunch. There is literally no way the clones can fight the dementors. None whatsoever, not with any of their weapons, AT AT's included. All the wizards live, all the clones die.


maybe not all - i bet a lot of the students will die.

unless the death eaters, dementors, profs. OOTP, etc. are frontliners.


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its not a death match. the object is to defend Hogwarts. wizards running away and dementors being invincible will not keep hogwarts standing. in fact apparating away would be retreating from the base theyre supposed to defend.
And when the wizards disappear, you think the clones are still gonna bombard the castle? Get real, they are gonna look around like WTF man, then the dementors will be on them. The wizards win and protect hogwarts without even being there, Umbridge puts the leash back on the Dementors, business as usual for hogwarts.


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Dementors, dude, Dementors. Explain how the clones defeat the Dementors.

Go ahead, make some shit up, I'll wait.


They can't, as they're invisible to the Clones and the blasters can't likely harm them. (this would make it a spite-thread)

Explain to me where in the OP it says "Dementors"? (It doesn't, the TS specifically listed who's in the battle.)

Go ahead and pull some more shit out of your pucker.

Edit: If you're considering the Dementors under some "it's part of Hogwarts" clause, then by that same rational, the 501st legion gets all their gear, ships, ground armor etc. Hogwarts get bombared from space, the air and ground all at the same time. It loses even worse than before.


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if their objective is to destroy the castle then they arent going to not destroy it simply because theres no one there. youre grasping at straws. erm


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They can't, as they're invisible to the Clones and the blasters can't likely harm them. (this would make it a spite-thread)

Explain to me where in the OP it says "Dementors"? (It doesn't, the TS specifically listed who's in the battle.)

Go ahead and pull some more shit out of your pucker.
Just saying, Hogwarts at it full might, with every possible weapon being used is far too much for the clones at their full might.

Here's a scenario for you....

The ground/surrounding forest outside Hogwarts is turned into one giant portkey by making portkeys out of rocks, trees, and other objects. Hell, even the doors to hogwarts and the walls are made into portkeys. To gain access to the castle, or to even venture within firing range of the castle, one MUST venture across these portkeys. The apparating wizards apparate away and side apparate away the younger wizards and LOL as one by one the clones and all their vehicles are portkeyed to the middle of the ocean. Blub blub blub. Say hello to Davy Jones.

Suck on that.


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The ground/surrounding forest outside Hogwarts is turned into one giant portkey by making portkeys out of rocks, trees, and other objects. Hell, even the doors to hogwarts and the walls are made into portkeys. To gain access to the castle, or to even venture within firing range of the castle, one MUST venture across these portkeys.



unless you have a ship that can instantly vaporize the castle and everything surrounding it in a mile radius with one salvo from your ship which is in high-orbit.

*shrug* you said at their full might. the 501st at their full might have air support and an entire Venator-class ship at their discretion.


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. Hogwarts get bombared from space, the air and ground all at the same time. It loses even worse than before.
Snape, Voldy and Dumbles apparate aboard the star destoryers, legilimens the gunners, turns them on each other.



HA.


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Originally posted by WO Polaski
unless you have a ship that can instantly vaporize the castle and everything surrounding it in a mile radius with one salvo from your ship which is in high-orbit.

*shrug* you said at their full might. the 501st at their full might have air support and an entire Venator-class ship at their discretion.





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Snape, Voldy and Dumbles apparate aboard the star destoryers, legilimens the gunners, turns them on each other.



HA.


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Snape, Voldy and Dumbles apparate aboard the star destoryers, legilimens the gunners, turns them on each other.



HA.


and they will magically know about this ship that is in space because...?

and theyd have to do this to about a hundred gunners, withOUT getting shot once by one of the hundreds of troopers on station that all have superior reflexes, and THEN theyd have to somehow to destroy the 50 starfighters that can be launched from the ship.

and in ADDITION, theyd have to know where the gus are on the ship and theyd have to know how many there are.


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The problem with this debate is there's no consistency with the 501st...odd given that they're meant to be clones and equally trained...Ki Adi Mundi and Aayla Secura got their ass kicked by 4 or 5 of them yet a young padawan kicked a few of their asses before getting killed.


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Snape, Voldy and Dumbles apparate aboard the star destoryers, legilimens the gunners, turns them on each other.


They're just going to happen to know where in space-orbit the ships are?

Where the gunners are exacly?

They can teleport that far to begin with?

Stands to reason the other personal on board (which is a lot) would take out those gunners after a few attacks on their own.

Yeah, your HP fanboyism has gone lethal, seek help.

Edit: I see you're saying it was a joke. So I accept your concession, the Clones win.


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and they will magically know about this ship that is in space because...?

and theyd have to do this to about a hundred gunners, withOUT getting shot once by one of the hundreds of troopers on station that all have superior reflexes, and THEN theyd have to somehow to destroy the 50 starfighters that can be launched from the ship.

and in ADDITION, theyd have to know where the gus are on the ship and theyd have to know how many there are.
Dude, that was a joke. Wizards cannot apparate through space. roll eyes (sarcastic)


Hence the HA.


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They're just going to happen to know where in space-orbit the ships are?

Where the gunners are exacly?

They can teleport that far to begin with?

Stands to reason the other personal on board (which is a lot) would take out those gunners are a few attacks on their own.

Yeah, you HP fanboyism has gone lethal, seek help.
Adjust your sarcasm meter, I just said I was kidding roll eyes (sarcastic)


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ki-adi-mundi had been fighting in a battle for who knows how long. he had smudge and battlescars on him as well if i remember right. he could have been fighting for hours or even days before they attacked him.

in addition zet jukassa ( i think thats the padawans name) Was about 3 feet tall and was in the center mass of the clone squad meaning they couldnt shoot without worrying about friendly fire. it was a bad position for the clones there.


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Dude, that was a joke. Wizards cannot apparate through space. roll eyes (sarcastic)


Hence the HA.


dont eye roll me. youve been saying ridiculous shit and grasping at straws for the last page and a half. it would certainly be in character for that post you made to be completely logical to you.

so are you done? your not-serious joke post a subtle way of saying "i concede"?

edit- 3 pages not a page and a half..


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