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Ep III Question

This question has probably been asked before, so I apologize before hand.

Okay, I just got thinking, why didn't Obi Wan join Yoda in facing the Emperor instead of splitting off? Maybe Yoda thought he could've taken him solo?


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there's an Anakin problem.


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Plus, Obi-Wan would have just bothered Yoda more than he would have Sids.


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Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
there's an Anakin problem.


Anakin isn't a problem at all. He is a nobody in terms of political power or influence at that point in time. With the Emperor killed, he would've been lost. Also, Yoda could've taken him out easily after Sidious was defeated

Also, I know some people are going to come up with the explanation that Kenobi would have had 'got in the way', which is an utterly poor excuse that nobody should buy.


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That is a good point, tho. Yoda and Obi-Wan could do tag team or something.

hm... maybe Obi-Wan was sent to take care of Anakin because he's... well, he is really powerful - chosen one and all, but he's just reckless and... well, he doesn't think clearly. maybe yoda thought he was a menace or something.


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Excuse? No, it's just a fact.

Reasons? I could repeat a lot from this thread.


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...Obi-Wan's good, but not that good, eh?


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Saberwise, he's very good. But Forcewise compared to Sids, he would just get 'in the way' (yeah, I said it). Just look at how he got discarded by Dooku in RotS and how Dooku escaped Yoda in AotC.


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agreed. Sidious would just pwn Obi-Wan when Yoda's not occupied, and would use that to his disadvantage.

hindrance, yeah.


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Sounds fair.


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Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Excuse? No, it's just a fact.

Reasons? I could repeat a lot from this thread.


Lol 'a fact', you must not know the definition of 'fact'.

Well I'll wait until someone else finds that excuse rather pathetic. I get this feeling people are just thinking 'SW must always be right', but really its a movie logical mistake or a mistake on Yoda's part.

Yoda had Sidious completely tied up in battle in their fight (until the latter part), Obi Wan attacking from behind would've been a nice distraction giving Yoda a chance to take him.

If theres this 'getting in the way' crap, then why did Obi Wan and Qui Gon try to take Maul at the same time? At the time Qui Gon was a Master, and Obi Wan only a padawan. If there was ever a case of 'getting in the way', it would've happened here.

Why did Obi Wan tell a raging Anakin to stop and that they should take Dooku together in Ep II?

Why did Anakin learn his lesson to fight together in Ep III?

Why did Mace Windu take some lesser Jedi Masters with him to confront Sidious? Yes they were significantly lesser Jedi compared to Windu, just as Obi Wan is compared to Yoda.

And I'm not going to buy this 'Yoda is concerned for Obi Wan's safety' crap. Yoda is a warrior that has seen hundreds of years of battle and lost many allies. You didn't see Mace have a little emotional breakdown after his fellow Jedi were slain. Yoda knows what is at stake here, he would destroy Sidious at all costs as the fate of the galaxy is at hand. If Obi Wan was slain, Sidious must've left himself momentarily open to Yoda's attack to do it. Yoda would've pounced on that opportunity.


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Point.

that's a good question. Maybe Yoda deemed Anakin that much of a threat?

or its also quite possibly ignored because the drama of the movie calls for an epic battle between brothers.


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Ah, for fvck sake.

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Lol 'a fact', you must not know the definition of 'fact'.


Better than you apparently.

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Well I'll wait until someone else finds that excuse rather pathetic. I get this feeling people are just thinking 'SW must always be right', but really its a movie logical mistake or a mistake on Yoda's part.


No it’s not a mistake. It was smart to fight Sidious, while he let Obi-Wan take on Anakin.

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Yoda had Sidious completely tied up in battle in their fight (until the latter part), Obi Wan attacking from behind would've been a nice distraction giving Yoda a chance to take him.


You really underestimate Sidious too much. He wouldn’t give Obi-Wan any chance, just like he didn’t give a chance to any of the three Jedi Masters who were with Mace Windu. And he’s definitely not stupid enough to let Obi-Wan nicely get behind him.

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If theres this 'getting in the way' crap, then why did Obi Wan and Qui Gon try to take Maul at the same time? At the time Qui Gon was a Master, and Obi Wan only a padawan. If there was ever a case of 'getting in the way', it would've happened here.


You can’t compare Obi VS Maul to Obi VS Sidious. Maul actually got pushed back for awhile (bye doublebladed lightsaber) and got killed by him. How can Obi get in the way of Qui Gon when the difference in power is that low.

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Why did Obi Wan tell a raging Anakin to stop and that they should take Dooku together in Ep II?

Why did Anakin learn his lesson to fight together in Ep III?


Same thing, actually even better, Anakin and Obi were almost the same in combat abilities. No way you can compare that to the Yoda Obi-Wan team work.

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Why did Mace Windu take some lesser Jedi Masters with him to confront Sidious? Yes they were significantly lesser Jedi compared to Windu, just as Obi Wan is compared to Yoda.


Did you even read that thread again I gave you? You were even the one saying that exact thing. And you kinda ignored the reply you got for that.

First, Mace didn’t know Sidious was that powerful. And second, those ‘three’ (higher number than one) Jedi were taken out in mere freakin’ seconds.

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And I'm not going to buy this 'Yoda is concerned for Obi Wan's safety' crap. Yoda is a warrior that has seen hundreds of years of battle and lost many allies. You didn't see Mace have a little emotional breakdown after his fellow Jedi were slain. Yoda knows what is at stake here, he would destroy Sidious at all costs as the fate of the galaxy is at hand. If Obi Wan was slain, Sidious must've left himself momentarily open to Yoda's attack to do it. Yoda would've pounced on that opportunity.


Was Yoda not concerned when he rescued him in AotC instead of taking out the LEADER of the CIS. Or when he saved the aliens he just met instead of taking out Assaj Ventress. And where have you read that he has seen hundreds years of battle? I thought the times before TPM were the notorious peaceful ages? Yoda won’t have an ‘emotional breakdown’ when Obi is killed, but he will at least try to keep him safe. That’s what Jedi do.


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Ah, for fvck sake.

Better than you apparently.


Ah I don't deal with arrogant types like you. And no, you clearly don't understand the word 'fact' in the slightest.


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So... the only thing you noticed from my post is my arrogant "better than you apparently", which was actually a response to your not arrogant at all "Lol 'a fact', you must not know the definition of 'fact'." and you responded with another not so arrogant at all "You clearly don't understand the word 'fact' in the slightest."

Nice one. But okay, you're allowed to take the easy road out.









Wait, this must've made me more arrogant right?


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Language, guys. Keep it civilised.


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Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
there's an Anakin problem.


Exactly.

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total revision of whatever the heck i've said:

Yoda can't bring Obi because he might get in the way. Yes, whoever said something about the AOTC Dooku fight is one of those examples. Sids take down Obi, and they continue on the Yoda-Sids battle, and it would prolly end the same way.
Only now Luke wouldn't have anyone to watch over him and train him.

Next, there's the ANAKIN PROBLEM, as I have said. Anakin may not be politically dangerous or something, but if he continues spiraling down the path of darkness he'll prolly become really powerful and could start terrorizing people and all that - adding the fact he's the chosen one only increases the risk. Also, if Yoda takes down sids, and Obi-Wan takes down ani, there would be some "balance", a.k.a light side wins.

If I think of anything else to add, I'll put up another message. or edit, if my thought comes early enough.


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And Obi-Wan was the perfect choice to fight Anakin, having trained Anakin and being the ultimate master of defense.

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Language, guys. Keep it civilised.


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