bane luke sideous caedus and possibly revan. id also be willing to throw yoda up there though thats a stretch. if he ws up there hed probably be the closest to kun in skillz.
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we dont know either way. the fact that he never used it again or even attempted to use it in a combat situation or otherwise implies that he cant do it whenever he wants to.
he tore it out with the aid of kyp durron one of the strongest force users in terms of sheer brute strength in the entire mythos. no proof or implications that he could have done so by himself. hell for all we know kyp may have been doing most of the work.
what? naga sado created tons of monsters using sith magic. in fact thats where kun learned the ability. in addition plagueis did the same thing and a group of no-name dark jedi did it to recreate darth maul. using the force to create creatures isnt a unique ability and as weve seen only requires time and knowledge not necessarily power.
creating a sentient being, force storms capable of ripping apart space-time itself and teleportating people, manipulating black holes, draining an entire planets civilization of its life force, pulling objects out of a sun, etc.
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Sorry but quotes are canon and trump your biased opinions.
Right, freezing hundreds and thousands of people, killing a 1000 year old jedi that could easily cut people off the force isn't threatening at all.
Lets not forget that odan urr described exar kun as [/i]immensely[/i] strong in the force.
If it took prep time the illustrators would have made it obvious that he was "charging up" his powers.
Just because he didn't use it in combat, doesn't mean he won't.
Was there a threat or opponent dangerous enough for him to use it on?
No and before you bring up "oh he could have used it on vodo", well he simply made it obvious he wanted to tool his master in a pure lightsaber match.
Uh no, it was the entire academy that killed exar kuns spirit.
Double standard much? You claimed you go by feats "onry".
I don't care if its "possibly" revan, you yourself made it clear that you go only by feats.
And how many people had he actually faced during his reign as the dark lord of the sith, let alone anyone dangerous enough to use it on? The last i recall the only guy exar kun actually bothered to fight was vodo and ulic and these were merely lightsaber duels.
You claim he can't use it in combat, then you prove it. The burden of proof is on you.
If thats the case when was the last time sidious used a force storm to kill his opponents? Oh right because he never used it in a combat situation, it means he never ever will.
Oh, vader has never used his force crush technique(that destroyed a massive hut that was as durable and hard as steel) so it means that he never will and cannot do so in a combat situation.
I don't see sidious unleashing his entire aresenal of force powers in a fight yet whenever we debate sidious vs someone we always argue that he will use technique so and so despite the fact that he "has never shown it in a combat situation".
Just because these people don't showcase some of their powers in a fight doesn't mean they won't use it.
Mind you that kyp was merely a student at that time and had yet to even achieve a fraction of his potential.
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that freezing ability that he only used once? the 1000 year old jedi that if i remember right didnt even try to cut him off?
if youre really a body builder id say youre immensely strong. but immensely is a relative term. im a 19 year old girl who used to have borderline anorexia.
according to whom?
"cant". you mean cant. he never used it outside that one time then died.
[quote[Was there a threat or opponent dangerous enough for him to use it on? [/quote]
considering he died prematurely due to overwhelming opposing forces? id say so.
an entire acadamy? you mean, about 10-20 people? 10-20 people that had less then a months worth of force training?
that i did.
and how does this prove he can do so? because hes never used it more then once that alone is proof that he can do it whenever?
cant prove a negative. but regardless im not proving anything. hes never used it in a combat situation so i have no reason to believe he can.
besides the fact that we saw him use it on a fleet and we saw him concoct it?
we know for a fact how force choke works and how it is cast. weve seen it used in combat before.
you wont see me arguing that sideous can use a certain power that he has never used in combat before unless the ability has been fully explained and we know how it works.
just because theyve shown to use it in X situation doesnt automatically mean they can use it in Y either.
yeah i know. thats why i consider him to be such a powerhouse.
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The lack of Nihilus is disturbing.
Or has Exar, Caedus, Sith Emperor or Revan destroyed planets, pulled ships out of gravity wells and held them together out of pure power?
Didn't think so.
But yeah it goes, for me:
1. Palpatine
2. Nihilus
3. Kun
4. Bane
5. Caedus
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A 1000 year old jedi that tried to cut him off the force but failed.
Thing is i am a bodybuilder, one that has actually gained recognition from IFBB professional bodybuilders and from an asian games champion, but then again what relevance does it have to this debate?
He was described as "immensely" strong due to the fact that he IS immensely strong in the force.
A little thing you don't have called common sense.
No, its "didn't" considering the fact that vodo and ulic were the only people he actually faced as his reign as the dark lord.
Your the one making the claim he can't use it so you prove it, it isn't a negative.
you forget how his freezing technique falls under sith sorcery which
has been employed in combat by several other characters(think of people like aleema keto, mighella and the nightsisters).
considering he died prematurely due to overwhelming opposing forces? id say so
[/QUOTE] Your claiming he can't ever use it in combat simply because he has never done so, i'm simply arguing that there wasn't anyone else to use it on hun. But then again ill give you the details below.
The keyword is combined might of the academy, go read the essential gudie to characters.
That is horrible logic my friend, how does not showcasing your powers in a duel means you cannot use it at all when you choose? Why do you avoid the question? Or are you simply too unintelligent to answer the question and start throwing fallacies? What do you have to backup this horrid logic of yours?
Then the same can be said for palpatines force storm, nihilus draining technique and vaders force crush.
Which means what exactly? You do know that the audio book stated that sidious was about to unleash another force storm in the room right before getting cut off?
Oh wait i forgot how you only go by feats so therefore that quote is non existant and non applicable and hence the force storm cannot be summoned by palpatine in a duel.
Holy shit i also forget that because revan never demonstrated the force storm lightning technique,(despite the source book stating it is one of his powers) it means he can't do so simply because we have never seen him do so!
OH MY i still forget how mace windu never demonstarted telekinesis in a fight, it means he cannot do so at all!!!!!
^ Do you see how faulty your logic is and how idiotic you are being?
So now your saying if we have seen it in combat before then therefore it is valid and applicable?
Ok then, you forgot that technique exar used to freeze asses is sith magic, sith sorcery and the fact that it has been used in combat before by several individuals(think of mighella or aleema).
Nice try hun, you just shot yourself on the foot.
The thing is it HAS been fully explained if you ever actually read the comic or the DSSB, that technique was a sith spell and sith spells has been SHOWN in combat before, i already explained in the above.
Or go read the TOTJ comics, they show sith spells and sith sorcery being utilized in combat.
Spare me the migraine and read the above.
Yeah you do, despite the fact that during dark apprentice he wasn't anywhere near powerful.
i dont know who you think are or who youre used to talking to but you really need to understand that i dont have a very tolerance for aggressive people and you are an aggressive speaker. the above section of your post that i quoted isnt bashing imo and youre not breaking the rules but im just requesting that you try keep in mind that in the end this is discussion on the internet if you want to continue to talk to me.
Yoda stalemated one of the ones you listed in a force and saber duel.
Since you go by showings alone, Yoda should be top-dog to you. Yoda took out a small army of King Alaric's troops with a wave of his hand. On Rugosa Yoda used the force to easily catch an avalanche of maybe a ton of free falling boulders in mid-air, right after he shamed Ventress with the force. During the battle of Coruscant Yoda used the force to lift entire landing crafts, and slam them into each other.
Yoda was one of the few ever to be able to absorb and redirect force lightning with his bare hands. He even absorbed the lightning of the most powerful Sith Lord in history.
And that is only some of Yoda's feats.
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no proof or implications that he could have done so by himself. hell for all we know kyp may have been doing most of the work.
