I've still seen house spiders dodge and run under couches and stuff faster than what you give them credit for. The common house spider isn't the size of a baby's fingernail though.
Have you seen a spider traveling that fast when it's not in danger? Do you sprint everywhere you go on foot? No, you walk there, just like a spider does.
Eh, most that I've seen in my house are, but I have seen some pretty big ones. It just varies.
Oh the reason I don't think you're stupid is because you're not one of those ingrates who think Goku moving fast enough to disappear from sight means he is billions of times faster than light, but the basis of this calc is the back of the manga. Which was written by the publisher, not Toriyama himself.
Do you truly think Toriyama is so incompetent, so mind-boggingly stupid, to allow Vegeta to see something on the other side of the planet with his eyes?
It makes no sense. It takes Krillin and friends several hours to get to Guru's house, yet they flew to the other side of the planet before Vegeta woke from a short nap?
Come on.
Namely that he doesn't simply blow shit up. His LHW can apparently erase matter from existence. They can also transmute matter. Both are abilities that Goku IIRC has no defense against.
What about my statement is wrong i never said that teleportation equals light speed. Ive even said that same thing to you before in other threads. I just said weve never seen them move ftl.
If you Have that point of view about the unexplained and say stuff like its only fiction then you cant say anybody is lightspeed because that is a real life measurement.
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Tsunami was about to kill him and Tokimi stops her, and you're asking where it specifically shows that he's protected from the damage?
Even if Tenchi—without any Light Hawk Wings—wasn't next to Z when it and happened it still wouldn't serve as a credible durability feat considering the circumstances. With Tenchi there, unharmed, it outright proves that it wasn't a feat of durability on Z's part.
Just because Goku didn't elaborate in a conversation he had with himself, doesn't mean that he was speaking in terms that don't make a lot of sense. It means the opposite, honestly, what with all the planet busting and FTL travel they show constantly. Again, if I was used to flying across planets, millions of kilometers, and literal billions of light years away, I wouldn't consider a mere 70 thousand kilometers that far either. I agree, people who base their argument off of character visibility are stupid. People frequently vanish in action series, and it's not any kind of feat other than speed blitzing the person they vanished from the view of. I know you keep saying that, but the same statement was on the back of the re-release of the manga, that Akira didn't write, but did approve, which makes it chock-able as author approved literature, which is always cannon.
You're forgetting that every time they flew across Namek they were carrying Dende, flying extremely slow to suppress their power, or both. This is why Krillin could fly a previously three(or so, iirc) hour trip in just under a minute when he wasn't carrying Dende and forgot to cover his power, and even stopped for a while to watch Vegeta fight Zarbon.
No, Z doesn't have matter manipulation abilities. You're giving him Tenchi's abilities. The only reason Tenchi beat Z, who had five LHW's while he only had three, is solely because of his matter manipulation abilities, that include destroying matter. Z vaporized around half to three fourths of the moon. Roshi vaporized the whole thing. And not to mention that Tenchi would fare against Vegetto just as horribly, because all the Buu's were galaxy-universe level, and Vegetto laughed at the strongest Buu's weakness compared to him. Tenchi has matter destroying abilities, but he can only do so if he can absorb the energy that bonds the matter, and he can't absorb galaxy level energy, let alone universe to multiverse like Vegetto is capable of emitting. Goku would probably lose though, until you get to the Cell saga or so, and would only win there because of how much vastly faster than Tenchi or Z are. I will acknowledge though that Z would probably have a good chance until Saiyan saga Goku, and Tenchi would fare well until Namek to Cell saga, and could still use his matter manipulation to beat Goku's head-to-head offense, but would still be beaten because of Goku's speed.
Z and Tenchi combined stand no chance against Vegetto. The Chousin would make for a much better fight.
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Anime is shown from multiple POV's, which is why you see characters moving faster than light moving. You're the one saying that light speed is only when someone disappears. Here, let me quote what I said to Nemebro.
"People who base their argument off of character visibility are stupid. People frequently vanish in action series, and it's not any kind of feat other than speed blitzing the person they vanished from the view of.", what is so hard to get about that? I calced Goku's speed, and you still have done nothing to disprove it other than use a retarded, biased, ignorance based assumption that insinuates that anyone who can vanish in manga is light speed, but no one else.
I've told you this in countless other threads, so I'll say it one last time.
WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO YOU, MEANS NOTHING IN FICTION. STATEMENTS, FEATS, AND AUTHOR APPROVED/WRITTEN LITERATURE DO.
Holy hell, do I need to post the Superman scan again?
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"If anybody im dbz is lightspeed they would make every destination they needed to get to in less than a second.
Ive yet to see this barring instant transmission"
With this single statement, you were basing light speed off of your own sense of the definition, which has no meaning in a debate at all.
If anyone was basing things off of reality, it was you. In anime, light speed doesn't always mean someone vanishes. Someone can be light speed, and be hilariously slower than someone else. Eyes work differently in anime, manga, comics, and fiction in general. Just saying.
BTW, please use actual spelling and grammar when replying. You're not a five year old making a post on FaceBook, so please stop acting like it.
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It seems like you take everything personal just because they dont agree with you give you something to think about.
I know im basing it on real world because thats what frl is a real world measurement. Your arguing with me about something i already know
"Barring the use of instant transmission" doesnt mean i said it equals light speed. I said i meant ive never seen anyone Move fast enough to compete with the speed of light in dbz without using techniques like instant transmission you interpreted me wrong. Jumped the gun too soon
Light speed is a calculated measurement of how fast someone travels from point a to point b
Instant transmission is more along the lines of teleportation. Which is along the lines of space/time travel
Btw im not getting a grade for this so i can type however i want. Im grown
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Wow. Things really steamed up here. Also, while Z has LHW he apparently doesn't manipulate matter like other LHW users.
But even so Vegito was turned into candy and still beat up Super Buu, so I don't think matter manipulation would work, because his energy still stays the same.
Z's strength would never have equaled Tenchi's. While he commands two more Light Hawk Wings than Tenchi, Z does not possess Tenchi's power of Material Conversion (which allows pure energy to be converted into solid matter, and vice-versa), and was ultimately not the higher power that the Chousin were looking for. - wiki
"Barring the use of IT", means exactly that. You obviously haven't seen all of DBZ. I know exactly what point you were making, and my point was that you're stupid for making that point. Again, I've posted the calcs, and you're personal opinion means less than NOTHING.
BTW, that's fine. Nobody on here took you seriously anyway.
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What don't you get about "No, Z doesn't have matter manipulation abilities. You're giving him Tenchi's abilities. The only reason Tenchi beat Z, who had five LHW's while he only had three, is solely because of his matter manipulation abilities, that include destroying matter."?
Btw, if that was true, then why didn't he do that to Tenchi? You neglect to mention that he can only do so to certain amounts of energy, amounts that even Cell casually reaches easily.
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