Quite simply, there is zero evidence on if Shimrra or Rhea could take one another in a fight as the only fights they've had are against the same guy in...radically different circumstances.
We should NOT use Rhea's fight with Luke as a benchmark for him. As pointed out above, Luke does not begin the fight at his best and though he's recovering as it goes, there is no indication he's at his best or near it when he engages Rhea (Who is a member of the Sith Council of Lords and probably not a weakling)
Then he has to take on her and her apprentice at once and gets injured there in the process, leaving his body still tired and wounded at which point he kills her.
Even at Shimrra, Luke was noted to be exhausted from all the fighting he'd done. ...the times we have seen a full on, totally fresh Luke fight? Not many. That contributes.
Luke isn't infallible, he can be challenged and by some people he might even be beaten. But he is completely top tier and has shown so.
to your first point ? I don't think i even understand what that means because i interpret that as appealing to the majority never happens even though it does happen.
single standards or none at all ??? forgive me for not knowing what you are talking about 'm extremely tired today.
as to palpatine and luke their conditions are different. Palpatines use of the force weakened him but It would be logical to say that's because of the nature of the darkside that weakens his physical body since that was the whole idea behind him having clones.
I'm NOT saying lukes condition in Abyss is worse than palpatines at all. Just that you look at palpatines and say it's worse than lukes where I look at it and say they are 2 different scenarios and it's up to the readers own opinion as to which one is worse. Prove to me how I am wrong about this.
and again what about dooku and his force exhaustion. You didn't answer that from my last post.(I just wanna know if i'm misunderstanding the line because it doesn't make sense to me that using the force is making him tired yet he uses the force to rejuvenate him).
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I agreewe will have to wait and see just how good rhea is.
once again, why the hatred for rhea? She was a pretty cool character.
we can begin to figure out if she is more powerful than first thought if Vestera gives Luke or Ben a difficult time. If her apprentice is a threat, she was a greater threat.
Dittto for the Tribe. If they are competent warriors (which they should be after 5000 years of backstabbing to the the death training) It will add to Rhea's relative competency.
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Because shes another one of those "out of nowhere comes this powerful individual".
She is literally the female and less powerful version of galen marek.
Not a good example, was vodo any more dangerous than exar kun?
Was vader more threatening and powerful than marek?
Simple answer: no.
Once again attribute it to inconcistent writing and PIS.
Why should they be? They spend 5000 years on a single planet and never faced anybody else outside the planet.
They spent 5000 years in a cutthroat environment doing nothing but training. Those who weren't as good, were KILLED. I think that is a +, not a knock on them.
That's what happens. Dooku's efficient strikes are no match for a coordinated effort between Kenobi and Skywalker; he's forced to spend a great deal of his Force reserves imbuing himself with the physical strength necessary to not die when they attack him. Simply put, he's too old to deal with them strength-to-strength. When he's able to finally divide Kenobi and Skywalker, he's able to open himself up to the Force without interruption and replenish his Force reserves.
@ the rest, yes, telling me that you and DS and TJ constitute the majority is an appeal to the majority. The fact that you and DS chalk it up to PIS doesn't mean that it is the case simply because two > one. In fact, TJ has largely conceded and even LS, who has been Luke's primary champion on these boards, isn't trying to throw a spin on it. He recognizes Luke did poorly given the circumstances and what people make him out to be, and also acknowledges that he's far from infallible and that there are many characters who could conceivably challenge and defeat him.
So your majority is looking terribly like a minority now, which is why appealing to the majority is a logical fallacy. You'll never know when you lose the popular vote.
Nobody has conceded. In fact LS just stated that Luke wasn't at his best. What world do you live in? We chalk it up to PIS/CIS because it MAKES SENSE. You chalk it up to him not being that good to retarded arguments and contradictions that fail. Nobody ever claimed that Luke was infallible. Now you're putting a spin on things. The fact of the matter is Luke is #1 in lightsaber combat, force potential, and #2 in mastery of the force, as opposed to your contention that he's the "Mace/Yoda of his generation", which is again, funny. So get back to reality Gideon, it's looking really bad right now.
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