I would argue that it may be more or less akin to erecting a dam in an already flooded area. Get there too late, you might be able to stop the flow of water, but both sides remain wet.
Logic dictates, since Caedus is obviously weaker than his uncle, that it would be more likely that he could have stopped or resisted the attack if prepared than trying to overpower his uncle's superior telekinesis and then try to keep him out.
How does logic dictate that?I don't even think your analogy is sound for this kind of argument How about this? Logic dictates that despite caedus' best efforts at getting out of Luke's death grip while Luke showed no visible effort, it follows that even if Caedus had been prepared Luke would have done the exact same thing to him.
and here is what makes me think PIS. What saber battle author is going to write " And then luke dodge the guys attack and cut off his head, and then faster than the other 6 guys could move, luke zipped around the room lopping off their heads too. "
I mean, that makes really boring lit in a hurry.
Even ROTS novelization (based directly off the MOVIE) doesn't give Sidious the credit of a speedrush, because that is just boring.
Caedus wasn't prepared for the assault. It's like leaving your front door wide open and trying to force a man out of your house as opposed to having the front door shut and locked and him still trying to get in.
Force defense makes a difference; compare all the telekinetic feats in the world. Obi-Wan being able to deflect Anakin's attack in RotS because he was prepared versus Dooku's sudden strike during their duel. Force defenses are hard to penetrate.
come now. He defeated Rhea, and there is no indication that he won't defeat Rhea without the fire-fight between Ben and Ship.
Caedus should have been ready for the telekinses attack. Indeed, he is ready for it. He is preparing for combat, he has all his traps in place, and everything else. The part that surprised him was that Luke was able to attack him without a gesture.
Its not like the attack itself came as a surprise.
(You've got the source on that, right? Or do i need to quote it?)
"While it was true that Luke had taken him by surprise, it was equally true that he had done so with no visible effort -- and that he was continuing to hold him with no apparent exertion."
Wonderful, so it's your speculation that something different would have happened if he was "prepared". In fact by your analogy, you're implying he would have stopped Luke's assault. Seeing as how he did everything in his power to get out of it and Luke still showed no visible effort, it's highly unlikely anything would have changed. At the very MOST, Luke might have had to exert a little more energy with the same outcome.
Yea we are, because your speculation that things would have turned out differently is just that. Unwarranted speculation. The book makes it explicitly clear. "NO VISIBLE EFFORT". That doesn't mean "IF HE WAS PREPARED HE WOULD HAVE STOPPED IT!!"
Do you understand what preparation means? Force defense? Princess Leia was able to, as of A New Hope, shut out Darth Vader's mind probes to the point that Vader could not get the desired information out of her without exerting enough influence that might irretrievably damage her psyche (Death Star). Obi-Wan Kenobi was able to block a Force strike from Anakin, but was unable to defend himself against Count Dooku because he wasn't prepared. Force defenses, even when erected by weaker opponents, cause significant resistance.
Look at the quote again, DS. "It was equally true" regarding both Caedus's surprise and Luke's lack of effort. Obviously, if Caedus had been prepared, Luke would have had to exert more effort to subdue him.
that is out of context. I just said he was surprised by the manner of the attack,and i'm not backtracking on that now.
temper with this:
pg. 133
"he took the precaution of slipping towards his desk, where he would have access to a dozen weapons and traps he had prepared in anticipation of just such a confrontation. "
Clearly expecting a fight.
pg. 134: "In the next instant, Caedus, found himself flying across the cabin towards his observation bubble. Luke had not gestured, had not flinched, had not even shifted his gaze, He had simply grabbed Caedus in the Force and hurled him five meters into his chair."
My only point i'm making is that Caedus had all the warning he needed to be prepared, and was expecting a fight. The fact that luke attacked him in such a way that Caedus was unprepared for is different than acting like Caedus had no idea an attack was coming.
This is not what you were insinuating, and it's something I acknowledged. At the very MOST, Luke would have had to exert some more effort to achieve the SAME outcome. You are acting as Caedus would have been able to stop the attack had he been prepared, which is just ridiculous.
Is it past your bedtime when you think those two statements ultimately mean the same thing? Which one is it? Could he have stopped or resisted, or did Luke simply need to exert more energy? Or do you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about?
I'll see your ignore and raise your contradictions.
Your point sounds terribly selective. Luke's move was legitimate, but Caedus (like Obi-Wan vs. Dooku), was clearly not expecting a telekinetic assault. It was specifically noted by the narration. If your intent was to slant that, mission failed.
ROFL. So because Caedus wasn't expecting a specific attack, he was unprepared and that's a strike against Luke? You make less and less sense after midnight.
That's like saying I'm ready to fight a guy but I wasn't expecting him to poke me in the eyes, therefore I'm unprepared.
No one denied it was legitimate. It was as legitimate as Mace Windu kicking Sidious in the face or Dooku hurling Obi-Wan across the room or Sidious blasting Yoda with lightning or Yoda blasting Sidious with telekinesis and so on.
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