This is "starwars universe vs transformers universe" not "starwars universe vs unicron" right? So going back to my arguement regarding the "all-spark", as defined and seen in the 2007 film franchise (Wiki - "In the Transformers 2007 live action film, it is a cube-shaped artifact adorned with glyphs and designs which is capable of granting independent life to normal electronic and mechanical objects and is the source of life for all Transformers.") If you dont want to accept wiki, watch the movie.
Whether the starforge can be used to create only 1 deathstar and galaxy gun per century or more than 1 billion of each per second doesn't matter. Anything it creates becomes a transformer with just one bump from the all-spark cube, the more the better. Bang the all-spark against the starforge and you get one mean transformer that can crap out super-weapons. LOL
I'd love to see a Starwars-Transformers movie cross-over, Jedi/autobots vs Sith/decepticons.
If you include the Alspark in this, it will be too easy a win. It allows them to transform various technologies into robotic warriors, as seen in Transformers and Transformers ROTF. That means the Jedi's machinery can be used against them, and in disguise.
Star Wars have too much resources at its disposal and transformers would not last long.
Star Wars have everything:
1. Droids/Tanks as big as majority of Transformers
2. Planet destroying weapons
3. Master tacticians
4. Unprecedented resources for warfare
5. Super-characters (Force-users)
6. Extraordinary space weapons/fleets
7. Unprecedented number of high-tech weapons with different capabilities
8. Nuclear weapons
9. Mandalorians
Star Wars have simply too much for Transformers to handle; Transformers will be exterminated along with Unicron.
Force powers can be very effective against machines.
I'm guessing you've seen nothing of Transformers beyond the movies
1. Droids and Tanks get wiped out in the masses by herald-level beings. Hell, even TFP chars make short work of them due to massively superior physical abilities
2. Transformers have beins who can destroy planets and move FTL in realspace, like Master Galvatron and Super Starscream. Only beings who can have any chance are Prime Luke, DE Palpatine, Abeloth and Darkstaff weilders. Other than that, they're gonna cut a bloody swathe through SW
3. Same can be said for Transformers
4. Ditto above, plus TF side has space brides and FTL chars, meaning they'll destroy their planets, they'll lose moar and moar resources as time goes on
5. Transformers, again have several Herald Tier beins, never mind multiversal characters such as Unicron, Primus, Alternity and several Cube Beings such as the 13 original Primes
6. Get wiped out by their Herald tier beings
7. Transformers beings massively exceed them in DC, speed, durability and strength for any weapon to be effective
8. Ineffective against their Herald tier beings
9. hahahaha, wait, was this even a serious one?
Star Wars is one galaxy, Transformers is many different universes, timelines and stuff, Unicron and Primus can destroy entire galaxies at minimum, meaning they solo. Lauhable how you think superweapons and nukes will make any difference against them
Force powers are meh and the only force users worth of mention are the top tiers
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The Transformers: The Movie is the most comprehensive depiction of Transformers and their capabilities till date, if I am not wrong; Unicron being the top dog as far as I know. I have yet to see something in Transformers mythos against which Star Wars mythos doesn't have an answer.
I have not consulted every medium related to Transformers but I have seen enough.
I am not saying that Droids and Tanks (of Star Wars mythos) cannot be destroyed; but they pack lot of firepower as well. Primitive human weapons can hurt Transformers; technology depicted in Star Wars mythos is too advanced in comparison. Do the math.
Which planets have these two destroyed? I recall Unicron and Primus being capable of performing this feat.
Are you considering a particular era from Star Wars mythos or on the whole?
I suspect that you haven't explored Star Wars EU much but I will leave you a hint: The Sith sorcerers in Star Wars are capable of unleashing unprecedented destruction. Some examples:
1. Sith Lord Naga Sadow developed a weapon with which he could make an entire Star System go supernova.
2. Sith Lord Vitiate could make arrangements to unleash Sith Sorcery on "galactic scale" and transform himself in to an omnipotent being of godlike powers in the aftermath. With such power, he would have acquired the capability to do anything; even create space matter itself.
Sith Lord Naga Sadow can wipe out anything in the Transformers mythos with his dark weapon and command of Sith Sorcery. In addition, Sith Lord Vitiate can reach similar position as well, if he gets the opportunity to unleash Sith Sorcery on galactic scale and complete his transformation; he is can create such an opportunity actually since he can unleash very capable Sith forces on galactic level and keep potential enemies preoccupied while he gets involved in his ultimate plan behind-the-scenes and pull it off within a short span of time (few days at maximum).
In single combat, Sith Lord Vitiate have Dark Councilors who can destroy gigantic (armored) beasts, shatter stone, and even destroy metal with their dark powers. And Sith Lord Vitiate himself is among the most powerful dark side masters in the whole mythos.
Very few in Transformers mythos actually; many in the whole Star Wars mythos.
You make it sound like as if Transformers wouldn't be meeting heavy resistance in their path and just walk through anything; unrealistic assumption. Issue with Transformers is that Star Wars have too much to throw at them. Also, reinforcements in Star Wars arrive at lightspeed.
Every era of Star Wars have witnessed thousands of Force-users existing simultaneously. The number have gone as high as millions in a few eras. Too much firepower to contend with.
Sith Lord Vitiate have Dark Sorcerers under his command who can terminate entire fleets with their dark side powers alone. Some Force-users are gifted with Battle Meditation ability; one of the most powerful Force abilities in the mythos. With BM, the tide of the battles can be easily turned.
As if you know?
Herald tier beings can be dealt with more powerful weapons. Star Wars mythos doesn't have shortage of such weapons actually.
Ever read about Mandalorian Wars? They were a major fighting force during TOR era.
Elaborate on the Universe(s) part. Do you even have an idea of how big a single Galaxy can be? A single Galaxy can contain trillions of Star systems in it.
The biggest body is the Universe itself; it contains billions of Galaxies. To give you an idea, a single Galaxy can contain trillions of Star systems (the smallest ones containing millions). The whole body is simply too big to comprehend with lot of unknown(s) to us.
Also, Star Wars mythos isn't restricted to one Galaxy. Yuuzhan vong came from another Galaxy (not occupied by the Republic) in the mythos; this species could create black holes with its technologies.
Furthermore, you are heavily exaggerating the capabilities of Unicron and Primus. Unicron could take one planet at a time (his galaxy eating plan would involve enormous span of time). Primus was a match for Unicron but created Transformers to deal with it (Primus evolved in to Cybertron?). Both can be wiped out by planet busting weapons (of Star Wars mythos). Heck, some Sith sorcerers of Star Wars mythos themselves can handle them after adequate preparations. I don't know much about Primus but Unicron is vulnerable to intruders if they get inside it.
A lone competent Force-user can handle a lone Transformer.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jul 6th, 2013 at 09:08 PM
Revisiting some of my responses in previous post:-
In single combat, Sith Lord Vitiate have many competent Sith Lords under his disposal who can destroy gigantic (armored) beasts, shatter stone, and even disintegrate/destroy metal with their dark powers. Sith Lord Vitiate himself is among the most powerful dark side masters in the entire history of Star Wars mythos. Some Jedi in the mythos can also match these Sith Lords in power. Considering whole history, many powerful Sith Lords and Jedi have been witnessed in the mythos. I recall an (extremely) ancient race which could move planets with its technologies and played vital role in reshaping the most prominent Galaxy of the Star Wars mythos.
Sith Lord Vitiate have Dread Masters under his command who can terminate entire fleets with their dark side powers. Apart from this, some Force-users are gifted with Battle Meditation ability; one of the most powerful Force abilities in the mythos. With BM, the tide of the battles can be easily turned.
Ever read about Mandalorian Wars? They were a major fighting force during TOR era, with capability to manufacture enormous fleets, gigantic droids, nuclear weapons and being led by amazing tacticians. Also, a competent Mandalorian can match a trained Jedi in single combat, who in turn can match a Transformer in single combat. The most powerful Force-users can take on individuals such as Galvatron(s) and Prime(s) themselves or possibly better.
Technology as well. Transformers can be hurt/killed by relatively primitive weapons. Technology in Star Wars is too advanced. Most lethal weapons can shatter planets to pieces and/or pulverize them.
As an example: Death Star pulverized planet Aldeeran (an Earth like planet):-
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No way Unicron can survive this level of firepower. To assume otherwise is sheer idiocy.
On top of this, some Sith Sorcerers can do much worse with the power of the Force.
In the comics (g1, issue 3, US run) Megatron was pounded with everything short of nukes for half and hour and wasn't scratched.
Galavtron was insanely more powerful. It took a rift in time and space itself to dismantle his ass.
Star Wars have some crazy entities with crazy capabilities. One of them sent some individuals 8000 years back in time, transforming them in to diamonds.
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