Ok, next question, and this one is a bit silly....Bumblebee, does Sam have to change his tires on occasion? Or change the oil?
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In the cartoon/comic version, no. In the movie version, possibly, possibly not. In the 1st movie Bumblebee 'peed' oil on Agent Simmons. He might have to fill up after that because he does have oil.
However, in the newest movie tie-in book, I believe it was Iron-Hide who said that they basically eat metal, which is why they never have to reload their weapons, and it supposedly heals them as well as providing ammo and sustenance.
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If you can find it, I suggest you give it a read, it's really good for such a short book, plus it shows how evil and backstabbing the Cons can be, while showing the opposite for the Autos.
Yet Ravage appeared to be semi organic too, judging from all that shit around his spine.
And with the portryal of "hatchlings" or whatever in ROTF, it looks like Bayformers are not so "Non biological" after all....
I prefered the G1 slant on that issue, obviously.
Dammit sadako, I was just gonna ask about Ravages spine
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Well, considering Sideswipe has skill that's on par with Prime, and that he taught the Autobots the fighting styles/methods he learned, he probably emerges the victor.
If you want to read my argument here, check out pages 1-5, I'm not gonna get into it again.
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Where exactly does he show this in the movie, though?
In the movie, Revenge of the Fallen, where does Sideswipe factually exhibit combat ability superior to that of Bumblebee? I don't want text, I want movie feats. That's what this forum is.
MVF rules state that wiki information is a creditable source. Since we see Sideswipe in only one scene, that's what we go by, wiki. See, we see Bumblebee fighting alot, because he is a more featured character, but that doesn't mean he is a better fighter.
Think about it, who is shown in more fighting scenes? Bumblebee or Megatron? If I recall correctly, Bumblebee had more fighting scenes, but that doesn't mean he is a better fighter than Megatron, does it?
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Yet going by screen feats, Megatron is more powerful, has more durability and can dish out a ton more damage than BB, so that's why Megatron would win. Screen feats.
Wiki is to support what already exists on screen, not to take the place of an initial argument.
What exists on screen will always be the prevailing argument, since it's a movie forum.
He's in more than one scene, but in that one scene all he does is use a Decepticon's own momentum to destroy him.
So, going by what we have factually seen in these MOVIES, the ACTUAL MOVIES WE ARE DISCUSSING, Bumblebee wins.
Bumblebee has proven himself to be the more capable warrior on film. It doesn't matter what an editable database says, because it hasn't happened.
If you said "I'm great at sports.", and I said "I am too.", why should I be held on par with you if you've proved it and all I have is a piece of paper with people saying "Yeah, he is."?
Bumblebee has beaten two Decepticons in one fight, he beat another one in a brawl.
Sideswipe hasn't shown, on film (The main source before anything else, even above wiki), that he can do that.
Movies overrule Wiki, wiki is not a more credible source than the movies themselves. They are to SUPPORT an INITIAL claim, not be the initial claim. Wikipedia claiming that Sideswipe is as good as Prime doesn't matter here because there's no footage of that proof.
Having a sig doesn't now make you a Transformers scribe, neither does liking Sideswipe.
Bumblebee wins.
Provide movie footage that suggests otherwise or concede the point.
Sideswipe being as good as Prime and teaching the other bots to fight was talked about in comics, which then made it to Wiki. Last I checked, shit they did in novels and comics doesn't apply here at all. It's like applying SW novels to Luke Skywalker all over again. The ROTF comics are canon in the movie continuity, but are seperate from the film itself, therefore shouldn't even apply. Though I did ask Impediment about the stats on the back of the toys, since they can best represent what a character's background is. Is he approves them, well that's just neat, iif he doesn't, it's okay, cuz screen feats trump anything Sideswipe has done. Bumblebee takes this.
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2) Google and Wikipedia are your friends. Use them wisely to find all sorts of neat material for your threads.
The information I posted was from wiki, a Transformers wiki, dedicated to ROTF. The wiki link stated that Sideswipe has fighting skill equal to Optimus Prime, therefore it is a fact that Sideswipe has fighting skill equal to Optimus Prime. I guess you guys think Bumblebee can beat Prime then?
For the umpteenth time, I have PROVEN that Sideswipe is superior to Bumblebee. I did so 100% in accordance with MVF rules. I'm not gonna go page after page after page and turn this into a cluster****. I'll check back, AGAIN, every so often, to see if any EVIDENCE has been brought forth to disprove that Sideswipe is better than Bumblebee.
BTW, Saying "Bumblebee fought X amount of Decepticons onscreen" means nothing, get over it.
Evidence, people, NOT opinions.
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