"Multiverse" was stated more than several times throughout the entire Abraxas storyline. And it's obvious that the entire Abraxas storyline centered around the Marvel Multiverse since we friggin see alternate universes/characters, single Eternities and even Multi-Eternity. You're chasing your own tail by trying to argue that I'm not applying my logic fairly. The sheer number of times we see multiverse and alternate universe stated/depicted in the Abraxas storyline is why that story is multiversal in scope. The sheer number of times we see universe, and no alternate universes/characters depicted in Infinity Gauntlet is why that story is only universal in scope, singular. You're projecting your own double-standards onto me. And trying to reverse-project the multiversal scope of the Abraxas storyline and the UN onto Infinity Gauntlet and the IG.
One Abraxas was reeking havoc throughout the multiverse. Galactus was the fail safe to keep him out. Just because they went on an adventure throughout the multiverse doesn't mean the multiverse was remade.
Doesn't everything spring forth from the main 616 reality?
When Abraxas said there wasn't a living soul who could stop him with the un do you think he was referring to the Lt?
^ Re-read the Abraxas storyline before throwing out bald-faced false assertions like this. Or go ask Mr. Master whether the UN destroyed/recreated the Multiverse. You clearly only respect his opinion and his opinion is clear on that matter.
It's evident to me now, that you've chased your own tail so much in trying to argue with me, that you've fallen into the habit of disagreeing and attempting to undermine everything I say, even things that we both agree on beforehand. That isn't cogent argumentation, that's confused desperation. Your arguments have degenerated and you're now throwing out assertions that you don't even believe in. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.
Why do you assume it's the multiverse when it isn't clearly stated. I was under the assumption a writer pointed this out or it appeared in a later ff arc. Everything could also mean everything in that universe. Nothing outside the immediate universe was shown to have been affected by this. It's been a good while since I read it.
^ I'm not going to waste my time arguing a premise that you already believe in, on a story that you admittedly haven't even read in a while. What possible merit is there in preaching to the choir on this point? If you didn't read the story in a while, then go read it and it will be made evident why everything = multiverse. Stop trying to argue something for the sake of arguing.
I breezed through it again. I didn't read it but to sift through the pages doesn't change the fact multiverse wasn't stated at the end. They went on a treasure hunt to reacquire the un as it was placed throughout the multi. What am I missing?
I just want to know why you assume so. If it's a writer's statement or a later scan clearly stating it was the multi I will concede. I am just curious as all. You telling me to go reread it shows you can't prove it was a multiverse conclusively.
good lord, quanchi. i have seen you make numerous posts pertaining to the UN's multiversal capacity in the past. yet now that ODG has made several fair points centered around that fact, you are all of the sudden questioning whether or not it's multiversal, because you want the IG to look like it was more powerful in scope? give me a friggin' break.
your entire 'debate' has been nothing more then a sad attempt to have in the last word. what you fail to realize is how injudicious, and utterly childish it makes you look.
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I admit in the past I had bought into the whole multiversal thing, but now that I re-examine the feat nowhere is it described as being multiversal.
If a writer or later issue spells it out in black and white then I'll happily concede. I also kinda just want some definitive proof on the matter and was hoping for something other than someone else's interpretation.
I also think your attempts at baiting mr. master are pathetic/childish,cowardly and indicate a clear sign of envy on your part. You won't even name him when we all know who your snide comments are being directed to.
as for the last part of your post: making a generalized comment that in no way/shape/form singles out a particular individual, is hardly 'baiting' another poster. so if you're trying to upset me by saying i 'envy' someone on an internet based comic discussion forum, simply because i made a 'could be anybody' comment, it does nothing more than show your own maturity level.
in fact, seeing as how you assumed a certain poster was being mentioned, i think it's you might want to look in the mirror about the 'envying' part.
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anyhow, this thread is far enough off track, and i won't be derailing it any further.
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I honestly think its pretty clear that the Abraxas storyline did deal with things on a multiversal scale. I think the evidence supports that. My only assertion is that universe (singular) was also referenced numerous times and that didn't change it from being multiversal. Just as I believe universe being used in regards to the IG isn't the defining factor that precludes it from also being multiversal where there are lines to the contrary.
except the word "multiverse" was never really mentioned during the infinity gauntlet affair. all i can recall was the usage of "universe" or "reality".
regardless, even if the staff of marvel intended it to be a multiverse, do you honestly believe they would make it the sole responsibility of the readers to dig through completely unrelated comics in order to figure it out? no way, no how - writers aren't in the buisness of not stating things.
other side of the coin, the multiverse being involved in the abraxas arc was more or less spelled out to us [the readers.]
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