Agree with you Queeq, the PT certainly didn't break any new grounds. Then again, with having the OT as it's predecessor, what sort of new grounds could he break though, unless he took it in the 3D direction and people liked it.
I know what you mean, I just don't know what they could have done that would be considered groundbreaking. Any thoughts?
Better scripts, better stories. Because if the PT fails anywhere it's in the very lousy storytelling. If you're doing such a big trilogy with such great expectations, you have to be on your toes. Jackson was on his toes doing LOTR, he certainly made an impression. Cameron did with Avatar... It's not like it's impossible, Lucas just didn't do it.
And G, what do you mean, little information. I doubt you were old enough to see the hype Titanic was at the time... Let alone SW in the 70s and 80s. Trust me, in comparison to those and Avatar or LOTR, the PT had a very lukewarm reception.
I can definitely see where people's disappointment lies within the first 2 prequels, even though I personally enjoyed them.
But I still think Lucas did a wonderful job on ROTS. It may be a CGI fest, but there's alot of ROTS that was done right. It's not as dark as I was hoping it would be, I would have taken some things in a complete different direction in terms of making more sense and not being forced, but overall, ROTS to me was a very fun movie. Groundbreaking? No. Perfect, No? But fun, and I can say I personally enjoy it far more than at least 2 of the 0T movies.
If anyone has seen the clip of George Lucas' recent appearance on "The Daily Show with John Stewart" GL basically proves what I've been saying all along about the shift in the Star Wars generation. The kids love it, people who saw it as kids still like it now as young adults, and most of those who saw the originals when they were young, weren't thrilled with the PT. I know that's sort of generic and doesn't apply to every single one of us, but I think it's kind of true in most parts.
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I saw that. He was basically saying that quality is based on the amount of people who consume it. There was a slight flaw in that: the largest PT fanbase are kids sub 9. The OT fanbase included a lot of older people. I really wonder how a lot of kids will view the PT in ten years or so.
I remember totally loving some tv shows in my youth. When I see them now all I can do is cringe... soooo bad.
I am going to stick my neck out there as usual. To be honest I was one of those youngsters who grew up with the PT. I was 9 when Episode I came out and absolutely loved it. I still enjoy it today, despite Jar Jar, and maybe a few other things everyone hates. I don't let the gungan, and that annoying kid playing Anakin bother me. I loved Episode 2 and Revenge of the Sith really doesn't need mention it was amazing.
I like the PT as much as I do the OT. Time will ultimately tell how people perceive them, Star Wars movies are movies and I love them all. Except for that cartoon one, hehe. I use that Blu Ray just to test my players color contrasts.
I have some not so perfect opionions on the PT, but I don't let them bother me. My main beef was little Anakin (Jake) and not having Qui-Gon in III.
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Well, my main beef with the PT is the awful storytelling. Where the OT is crisp in clear (well, it gets a little dodgy in ROTJ), the PT is a mess. The characters have very little depth and they act mainly because the plot requires them. The ultimate flaw is in the love affair between Anakin and Padme, which is the most crucial plot line in the PT and it sucks balls the size of Tatooine. They HAVE to fall in love because Luke and Leia have to be born. But Anakin is a total dick head. Why Padme falls in love with that spoiled brat is completelt beyond me. The love scenes are very bad. So we can conclude only one thing: she falls in love with him because the plot requires her to.
The other main story line is Anakin's fall to the Dark side. That whole story in ROTS is weird, inconsistent and doesn't make sense at all. From about to arrest Sidious, turning him and offering his services to take him out, to going after him, saving him, wondering what the heck he did to kneeling before Sidious: it's a mess mess mess.
And when a trilogy messes up it's two main plotlines... there's not much to it, is there.
Well yes, in terms of Anakin falling to the darkside, that was one of my biggest beefs with ROTS.....to me it's a mess because it was incredibly rushed. Afterward, we barely even see Anakin and Palpatine together. No no no! This should have been expanded upon greatly. We should have seen Palpatine training Anakin to use the dark side, rather than immediately ship him off to start doing ungodly things that no one would do without careful consideration.
The Coruscant Theater scene in ROTS was terrific, one of my favorite of all 6 movies, in which it nicely establishes Palpatine luring Anakin to the darkside, but the problem is, there needed to be alot more of that. Alot more dark scenes with Palpatine and Anakin all leading up to his eventual turn.
Even after Anakin turns to the darkside, he's still doesn't come across as being truely evil. Sure, he kills the younglings, but then has scenes with Padme aftewards in his normal good self. I desperately wanted to see Anakin becoming more and more evil. I wanted scenes with Obi-Wan in the mix of things, trying to bring him back until there's no hope, rather than him doing some boga chase that really doesn't have to alot to do with the core focus of the film.
People always wonder why I say I didn't like Grievous, and there's a huge reason to that. He was a distraction in the movie, and took away from what should have been more focus on Anakin and Obi-Wan. It was an excuse to send Obi-Wan somewhere and have him out of the loop while Anakin was up to no good, when instead, to me, it would have been alot more powerful if Obi-Wan was witnessing these things first hand...not just some security hologram...them boom...yeah. "he's evil."
Yet, I don't really these things bother me, and I don't lose any sleep over it. lol It's a shame that some things that "could have been" were ultimately missing, but the bottom line is, they're just movies...pieces of entertainment. I don't think GL set out on a mission all those years ago to ruin his legacy. I still think the PT takes more heat than it really deserves, because bottom line, there's tons of similarities between the PT and OT, but the OT was created in an era which it did things no other films had even attempted, and with the release of the PT, it was sort of "yeah, what's new. It's been done already."
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Well, yeah, but still... for the first time in his life Lucas had no limitations and he came up with this... Maybe a few limitations make the film maker better.
You nailed it right there. Don't forget some girls love A-holes like Anakin. Don't tell me he didn't get Padme a bit excited when he told her he wasted the sand people.
Hehehe... and sure, maybe some girl get excited by a-holes like Anakin. But this is Padme, former queen of Naboor and boring superresponsible uber-democrat...
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