thats a horrible example to use in this context. for one thing Lincoln fought tooth and nail to keep a war from happening; it was the south who was hellbent on seceding because they didnt like the governments policies, and for two the first "official" battle that started the war was instigated by the south. Lincoln's situation was entirely different from hitlers... he never openly assaulted another country that was bearing no ill will toward him.
as for the rest of your points, youre incorrect and every post you make defeats your own stance. truth of the matter is that evil and good are relative... you cant argue from a factual standpoint that one person is less or more evil than someone else... so to say that theyre hypocritical for putting a more evil person inside of the game is incorrect... because stalin is not more evil than hitler is. at least, you cant prove he is.
besides i highly doubt the game makers care about hitler, theyre making the game to make money. if they put hitler in the game tthen chances are germany wouldnt sell the game, and they would lose money... so they excluded hitler. hyporicy is to say one thing and do another, so unless the game makers have specifically said that they excluded hitler, not for monetary reasons but for moral, then they could be considered hypocrites for including any other tyrant. if not, then theyre not hypocritial at all. blame germany for having a stick up their ass after all these years.
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just goes to show how introverted us americans are. i wish my school had spent the effort to teach us more about other countries and there histories besides what led to the formation of the US and the world wars. i think wed have more appreciation for the rest of the world if we were more knowledgeable about it.
You can't really blame them for it: USA is a large and powerful country. The rest of the world might as well not even exist for a common American. It's a bit different for European countries, especially the small and economically insignificant ones like mine.
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You're right about that, however, it's not so much Stalin is more evil then Hitler (I don't believe either were evil). The Holocaust is the primary reason why Hitler is considered "evil", yes? Stalin has, factually, caused more deaths then Hitler. Stalin is factually worse then Hitler (Note I'm not using the word evil). It's kinda hypocritical to include both Stalin and Mao (Who is worse then either of them), yet not Hitler.
Bam. You hit the nail on the head. Honestly though, I can't see why they can't just create Hitler as a sub-leader for Germany, then just lock him out when they release the game in Germany.
Ok, Finalanswer, stop using this as a platform to promote your disturbing moral beliefs. This is not the right place.
Civ doesn't make moral judgments withs its leaders- hence Genghis Khan- it is simply utterly impractical to include Hitler in a commercial product of this type.
That part of the conversation is done. Move on. Warnings will be issued to anyone who tries to continue it.
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Last edited by Ushgarak on Feb 27th, 2010 at 07:47 AM
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Feb 27th, 2010 02:46 AM
i wish my school had spent the effort to teach us more about other countries and there histories besides what led to the formation of the US and the world wars. i think wed have more appreciation for the rest of the world if we were more knowledgeable about it.
