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LLLLLink
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Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
If Kirikaze thinks the past decades of comics are noncanon fillers then yes he is an idiot, if he doesn't think they are noncanon fillers then he isn't. You can not compare Manga/Anime and Comics when it comes to what's canon. Different writers are canon for comics so long as it's still under the same company and whatnot.

That doesn't make it any less of a bullshit comparison, though.

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Wei Phoenix
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Originally posted by LLLLLink
That doesn't make it any less of a bullshit comparison, though.

So exactly what do you not agree with exactly?

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Originally posted by LLLLLink
Business dealings should have no true authority on canon. No company should be able to speak "ex cathedra" (so to speak) on canonical issues. Original author's work only.

Shared worlds are by design made of multiple author's works, and the original makers of many US comics are long gone (and didn't even include the iconic images of the characters).

There is a difference between shared world and just another author doing stuff, though. With a shared world, the original creators throw the gates open, or are working for a company where it's work-for-hire from the get go.

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LLLLLink
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Don't you think it is gay when someone writes a comic where Supes is killed by Batman, even though you know Bats could never harm Supes? It is that kind of garbage that I hate. But, since it has the "stamp of approval" on it, its canon.

It was that kind of scenario which caused me to be so disgusted with the "canon laws" that everybody uses.

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Mar 28th, 2010 06:10 AM

Wei Phoenix
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When has Batman ever killed Superman? Superman has always been the better of the two.

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Mar 28th, 2010 08:58 AM

Kirikaze Fuuma
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IIRC Batman killed Superman in the alternate future using a kryptonite batarang.

Even though the comic books are canon, there are inconsistencies on it especially Superman since there's so many writers wrote a story for Superman. Not only inconsistencies but sometimes bad writing. But I don't want to bring any of those inconsistencies and bad writings here since this thread is not about Comic's inconsistencies.

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Originally posted by LLLLLink
Don't you think it is gay when someone writes a comic where Supes is killed by Batman, even though you know Bats could never harm Supes? It is that kind of garbage that I hate. But, since it has the "stamp of approval" on it, its canon.

It was that kind of scenario which caused me to be so disgusted with the "canon laws" that everybody uses.

That has never happened.

And when a real bad idea happens, there are retcons.

What you think of it does not change its canonicity.

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Wei Phoenix
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Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
IIRC Batman killed Superman in the alternate future using a kryptonite batarang.

Even though the comic books are canon, there are inconsistencies on it especially Superman since there's so many writers wrote a story for Superman. Not only inconsistencies but sometimes bad writing. But I don't want to bring any of those inconsistencies and bad writings here since this thread is not about Comic's inconsistencies.

1. Alternate Universe is already noncanon.
2. Even if Batman did hit Superman with a K-Batarang he wouldn't die
3. Superman could dodge, shoot or crush the batarang with his hand.

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Mar 28th, 2010 05:02 PM

NemeBro
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Or use his anti-Kryptonite Batarang vision.

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Mar 28th, 2010 05:14 PM

LLLLLink
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No, Batman used a kryptonite ring, then killed him. Bat-a-rang was a different one, and kryptonite in the coffee is a different one still.

Also, this.

/batman and supes talk

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Mar 28th, 2010 07:38 PM

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The animated series? lol Again, you're using non-canon stuff.

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When has Batman ever killed Superman? Superman has always been the better of the two.

That's too bold of a statement.

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Mr. Rhythmic
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I still don't see any proof.

Proof=Buu Saga

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Originally posted by No End N Site
And I don't ever remember him sayin' that the anime was totally inadmissible and failed top even closely resemble his original work.

It's hard to say. The anime helps clarify some things better than the manga, but sometimes creates the issue of inconsistency.

For example, the filler shows Eighter's creator during the Red Ribbon Army Saga, and yet Dr. Gero is later said to be the one responsible. For the time, it added clarification, but it was a door open in the manga for a reason.

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Mar 28th, 2010 09:30 PM

Kirikaze Fuuma
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Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
The animated series? lol Again, you're using non-canon stuff.

No. There's a scene about that in comic book too.

My bad, it's kryptonite ring actually. :P

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Mar 29th, 2010 12:54 AM

Wei Phoenix
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That's too bold of a statement.

Elaborate.

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Mar 29th, 2010 03:25 AM

Wei Phoenix
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Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
No. There's a scene about that in comic book too.

My bad, it's kryptonite ring actually. :P

Precrisis is noncanon, it's been retconned for it's stupidity.

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Mar 29th, 2010 03:26 AM

Wei Phoenix
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Originally posted by LLLLLink
No, Batman used a kryptonite ring, then killed him. Bat-a-rang was a different one, and kryptonite in the coffee is a different one still.

Also, this.

/batman and supes talk