Since you don't know anything about Thor, I'll let you know that Thor wouldn't bleed to death from being scratched multiple times before curbstomping Wolverine with Mjolnir.
Wolverine is not master of all armed and unarmed fighting arts from across the universe due to the speculation that he's the reincarnation of the Hand of God and the further speculation that he's retained skills learned as the original Hand of God or from the further reincarnation speculation that's completely muddled with the entire Lupine storyline. Several times, Wolverine has forgotten his skillsets that he learned in his current life and had to be retaught them. You expect me to believe he specifically remembers skillsets learned from these speculative previous incarnations?
And even if he did demonstrate that, that still won't get you as far as being master of all unarmed and armed martial arts from the entire universe.
What? The fight proved that Thor was LUCKY to tag Logan in the first place with that hammer - lightening is different but if I really want to I can say that Logan dodges THAT all day as well...so you end up with a stalemate unless Thor wants to blow him away with storm winds or something. LOL.
It's just funny how people on here don't get that Logan being faster, more skilled and clearly having better reflexes is somehow going to get tagged by Thor who admitted he was giving it his best. I mean, Thor never even BEAT Logan - Logan just snapped out of it - he could have kept fighting even after being hit by lightning! So umm yeah...Thor gets shredded in Melee combat. Especially if the first thing Logan does is claw his eyes or his throat - Logan is actually capable of one-shotting Thor - the same can't be said in the reverse situation as we have proven that a lighting bold is only sufficient enough to break Logan out of a Lokki spell.
Tell me, what is Thor going to do if he's busy nursing one eye that's been clawed out? Or if Logan claws his arm muscles so he can't even use that hammer? He's going to need to not only resort to lightening but levitate HIGH in the air as Logan is:
a) capable of tanking lightening like it's no big deal. This won't put Logan down unless it's A LOT of lightening bolts.
b) Capable of dodging lightening as he has dodged lazers.
c) Capable of jumping at least 30 feat straight in the air - more if he's pissed.
^ The only thing the fight proved was that Wolverine fans can see Wolverine getting two-shotted by Thor on-panel and inexplicably translate that into Wolverine beats Thor 10/10 if Wolverine fights at full capacity and Thor doesn't use hurricanes.
Well, considering that Thor has functioned without an arm and has gouged out his own eyes before, I'm sure he'll be fine before the High Herald that is Logan.
You should do yourself a favor and actually read those " " Thor comics in order to realize that Logan will indeed by curbstomped by Thor based off of feats. Hell, take a look at that fight again. It took Thor all of two moves to end it and that was without unleashing a ragestomp of epic proportions. LOL at a single lightning strike being Thor's only defense against Godverine. And LOL at Thor not being able to one-shot Logan. I guess hammer strikes that can cause the fabric of reality to be shaken, blasts capable of damaging Celestials and Galactus, punches able to close dimensional rifts, and lightning storms capable of ravaging the entire planet < Logan, huh?
Geezus, this wank needs to stop.
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I guess if Thor just stood there, Wolverine can do as he did to Namor.. Although personally, I thought Namors skin should be tough enough to reduce Wolverines claw strikes to mere surface wounds...
Are you calling me a wank because we disagree about comic book characters? Right.
So, all ridiculous childishness aside, if you would actually READ my posts I said MELEE. Yes, of course Thor is going to kick Logan's butt if he uses his powers - but if he just uses his hammer and fists, he is going to die.
So Logan snapping out of a spell constitutes as a victory for Thor now? Not really - Logan was barely affected by both the hammer blow and the lightening strike. Thor was in much worse shape than him and he even admitted it. Also, Logan was fighting stupid - he didn't go for vitals. If he would have struck Thor's jugular, Thor would have lost because he would have BLED TO DEATH.
Now maybe you are getting all offended because of how you are seeing my argument. Logan can kill Thor if and only if Thor restrains himself and uses only his hammer and his fists. If Thor is intent on winning, he does so 10/10 without taking damage. Because he's going to hit Logan with his super powers and blast the hell out of him first off the bat.
What me and Jinzin are arguing is that Logan wins in a Melee contest...it's not even really a full on fight if you think about it. So what? What's to be offended about?
I also read the Thor respect thread and he doesn't have anything that would allow him to take Logan in melee - even with his hammer. Not sure why anyone who isn't biased would think that.
Pretty much.... I already said if he want to use the feat pleading to Ronan's CIS then it's fine, but it's invalid as proof of Gamora being = to Ronan...... so.. context?
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Haven't her swordsmenship skill beein parried by far less skill fighters than Wolverine anyways?
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Thor would win in melee as well with what Mjolnir can do. There's nothing to suggest that Logan wouldn't at the very less be BFRed by a good Mjolnir strike or even a Class 100+ fist. To argue "Logan CAN win if..." makes about as much sense as me saying "Well, Thor CAN beat Galactus if Galactus is about starving half to death and Thor is at full power and operating at his absolute best and bloodlusted and uses his Godblast". By that route, pretty much any character can best another based off of circumstance, so there's no point trying to fish for one just to claim that somehow, someway, Logan can beat Thor.
And seriously? Thor in melee is still beyond Logan. Hell, there was a thread with Thor w/o Mjolnir versus Logan and that thread got closed presumably for spite because that's what it is. Geezus, in melee Thor can literally one shot Logan. That's not up for debate. Unless you don't think such feats as one-shotting Namor in the pouring rain would take out Logan. And the notion that Thor would be unable to tag Logan is ridiculous based on Thor's consistent speed and reflexes showings. If he doesn't win by KO, than Thor wins by BFR pretty much every single damn time.
And ironically, two showings of which actually include (i) Thor grabbing Wolverine's ankle and doing his version of a midget toss, and (ii) actually clunking Wolverine with Mjolnir. Both of which came after professing that Wolverine was faster than he thought.
He has to hit Logan first - which isn't going to happen unless Logan LETS HIM. The only reason he got that full-on two handed strike in is because Logan decided to stick his claws in his back. It's going to take several shots from that hammer to knock Logan out and possibly one to knock him sky high and out of the area - but he still has to hit Logan. Logan has already proven capable dodging Thor all day so....
And I consider knocking out Namor not to nearly be as impressive as knocking out Wolverine. Considering Wolverine has tooled Namor several times.
Thor can have all the strength in that hammer but he has to actually HIT Wolverine first doesn't he?
sigh.. are you done yet? we need to take your official banned title and make it official.. seriously when is your childish response going to stop?
if i didnt think we needed descending opinions i would have had you banned for your attitude and disrespect not for the side u have chosen to argue..
Thor is not a great melee fighter and i agree fist and just hammer strikes with no exotic powers he would more likely be killed by logan with a well placed stab..
as much as ppl would like to believe logan cant or shouldnt be able to stab bricks it is irrelevant to the comic history of him doing so repeatedly and even being able to slice thor as shown in that scan when thor tried or more appropriately ruled earth and asgard.
also someone made a comment that stabbing or cutting thor's eyes would be ineffectual b/c he took out his own eyes during a god ritual to gain more knowledge and power from the runes. that was a sacrifice for power and knowledge the fact that thor knew what he was doing and prepared himself for the traumatic experience by being aware of the situation.. if logan did that in battle it would be immediate shock of being blinded and give logan a definite edge in battle and thor wouldnt gain any type of omniscience that would allow him to fight as if he can still see since it is not a willing sacrifice or a pact with some other deity
^ You're using a non-canon alternate timeline to prove what exactly?
Switching to non-canon feats in contravention of the rules isn't improving the cogency of your debating. Which so far have previously involved (i) posting three panels without context and acting like Wolverine killed an elder god, and (ii) making a dozen bait threads. Logan has proven capable of dodging Thor all day... until Thor grabbed his ankle and midget-tossed him and Thor actually smashed him with Mjolnir.
Knocking out Namor in the driving rain with a single punch is more impressive than knocking out Wolverine.
So Logan let Thor end the fight, then? Is that what you're going with? And Logan allowed Thor to grasp him? Whereas Thor was trying his absolute best [SPOILER - highlight to read]: He wasn't but Logan clearly was holding back more. The lulz....they consume me.
Off Topic: I will say that Logan's skill in applied martial arts and technique/ability is greater than Thor's. I will go as far as to say that typically, Logan is portrayed as more agile. I will also so that Thor is faster (really not up to debate as Thor's speed/reflexes feats surpass Wolverine's), vastly stronger, vastly more durable, and more than skilled enough to use the advantages he does have over Logan to great effect, in or out of melee. I just don't see how anyone can claim that Thor can't tag Logan as he's done it before in that same fight people are using as "evidence" he'd get his shit handed to him by Logan. And that's to say nothing of his vastly superior feats supporting him moving faster than Logan, reacting faster than him, and letting loose with more than enough power/force to end the fight with a single blow if he felt inclined to. If you have to handicap Thor so much just for Logan to even get a slight majority, than what's the point of even bringing up that he could beat Thor to begin with?
On Topic: Gamora wins, but I've seen some better evidence from the Logan camp recently.
thor remembers everything he did in the future b4 he altered it and reset the past to keep himself from doing so.. iirc current thor even mused to himself about missing his future son and him never being and only he knew what he had done.
so the fact that logan was able to cut thor in a future that was canon 616 universe still holds water for logan adding the stabbing and cutting the current thor when they fought..
now the fact that i used Ba'al to show you that logan waited through massive energy discharge to fight him was to show how equally insignificant it was to gamora's feat by actually using a god rather then a low lvl herald if Ronan even reaches that title... my argument was if wolverine can kill a god then by association he is a god himself in power lvl which was the argument for some ppl early in the thread for gamora. ppl actually think tha b/c she has fought someone like Ronan that she herself must be equal in power to such a being which is not how really works not even in comics..
P.S. u r really getting to me with ur attitude. keep treading....
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May 11th, 2010 04:05 AM
" Thor comics in order to realize that Logan will indeed by curbstomped by Thor based off of feats. Hell, take a look at that fight again. It took Thor all of two moves to end it and that was without unleashing a ragestomp of epic proportions. LOL at a single lightning strike being Thor's only defense against Godverine. And LOL at Thor not being able to one-shot Logan. I guess hammer strikes that can cause the fabric of reality to be shaken, blasts capable of damaging Celestials and Galactus, punches able to close dimensional rifts, and lightning storms capable of ravaging the entire planet < Logan, huh?
"damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
