I feel that my earlier post is sufficient enough to end this debate.
This, too:
Also, let me add, that whatever spell Potter can throw at Vader, the spell has to be directed at the receiving end, no? Else the spell will be shot off into space and fizzle like a bad fart in the wind. Vader can use the Force to control Harry's arm so the spell won't hit him. Hell, Vader can even make Potter's arm point the stick at Potter's head. Vader can even snatch the stick from Potter's grasp with the Force. No stick, no spell, only death.
Harry will not be able to accio, oppungo, petrificus totalus, fiendfire, expecto patronus, expelliarmus, confucious charm, reducto, or what ever other spells that he has learned at Hogwarts. Why? Because Vader will cut off Harry's air supply with his mind. Vader will snatch the stick from Harry's hand with his mind. Vader will then kill Harry. Yes. With his mind.
Unless Hogwarts has a professor who teaches students to cast spells with no wand under the stress of being choked to death while gagging for air, Harry has no chance.
Vader chokes and kills Harry before he utters a single syllable. Anyone who says that word of mouth and arm reaction is faster than cognitive thought is just delusional.
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Yeah, the 100 spells aren't worth mentioning, makes them that much easier to ignore, yes?
Let's say Vader starts force choking Harry right away. It takes 10-15 seconds for the victim to die, just watch the scene in ESB where Admiral Ozzel is killed. Same with Piett. They don't just up and die, it takes a while. Realistically speaking, it would take alot longer than that, the victim would pass out due to asphyxiation. Me, I can hold my breath for over a minute, easily. Young lad like Harry? Alot longer. So......Harry will have an entire minute to defend himself/break free/counter attack.
What to do? Lookie:
Well whadya know? NON VERBAL SPELLS. How about that? Harry need only wave his wand and jinx/spell Vader.
I know, Vader force pulls Harry's wand away first. On my, what to do now? Weeeeeellllll.......Harry causes Vader to swell up and float away, just like he did in the Prisoner of Azkaban. He did this with no wand and no incantation. Vader can choke away, Harry has more than enough time to do this. BTW, force choke does NOT render one immobile, teehee.
Engorgio (Engorgement Charm)
Pronunciation: /ɛŋˈɡɔrdʒi.oʊ/ eng-GOR-jee-oh
Description: Causes objects to swell in size.
Seen/mentioned: A "Growth Charm" with the same effect is briefly mentioned. Hagrid is suspected of having performed the charm on his pumpkins in Chamber of Secrets.
Another attack Vader would fall victim to:
Crucio (Cruciatus Curse)
Cruciatus redirects here. For the ligaments in the knee, see Cruciate ligament.
Pronunciation: /ˈkruːsi.oʊ/ KREW-see-oh
Description: Inflicts unbearable pain on the recipient of the curse. The effects of the curse depend upon the desires and emotions of the character – to produce the "excruciating" pain implied by the name, one must (according to Bellatrix Lestrange) desire to cause pain purely for its own sake or for fulfilment. The extreme pain inflicted by the curse when cast so – without any apparent evidence of physical harm – makes it uniquely suited as a form of torture. This pain has included the sensations of flaming bones and a head that was split open by crude methods without sedation.[HP4] One of the three Unforgivable Curses.
Pronunciation: /ɪmˌpɛdɨˈmɛntə/ im-PED-i-MEN-tə
Description: This powerful spell is capable of tripping, freezing, binding, knocking back and generally impeding the target's progress towards the caster. The extent to which the spell's specific action can be controlled by the caster is not made clear. If this spell does bind, it does eventually wear off as stated in Deathly Hallows.
Seen/mentioned: Used in Goblet of Fire when Harry is practicing for the third task. Also used by Madam Hooch to shortly stop Harry from fighting with Draco. Also seen toward the end of Order of the Phoenix, when Harry is fighting the Death Eaters. Stronger uses of this spell seem capable of blowing targets away.
Suggested etymology: Latin impedimentum (plural impedimenta) meaning "a hindrance" or "an impediment"
So, what do we have here? Let's see.......Shitload of spells Harry can use on Vader to defeat him. Crucio, Impedimenta, Petrificus totalus (Yeah, Vader would be reduced to a Sith mannequin), Death spell, Engorgement charm (If Harry is being force choked, he'll use this to turn Vader into the Hindenburgh), Stupefy, Imperio, Incarcerous (tie Vader up), Sectumsempra, not to mention Occlumency, people. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Hey, if they are in a graveyard, Harry can stick to the shadows and cast Lumos on Vader (As he did in the hocrux cave in THBP), lighting up the area where Vader is in, and Vader will never see him, all from under cover of the invisibility cloak!!! And Yes, Vader ALWAYS either: A: Had line of sight on his force choke victim, or: B: Knew their exact location. If Harry is in the dark, under his cloak, Vader has NO idea where he is, therefore he CANNOT use force choke. Oh my, That's a toughie, innit?
But hey, I have preached all of this before. What we have here is Harry Potter hate, ignorance of HP, WANTING Vader to win. Everything I have said here will be ignored, this is the mindset here: "Vader, big ass Sith with a saber and black armor, CANNOT lose to "a boy running around with a stick."
Truth? Harry has more in his arsenal. Truth? HP magic is more powerful than the force. See, if a wizard so wishes, they can become immortal. A force wielder? No.
As for this:
Also, let me add, that whatever spell Potter can throw at Vader, the spell has to be directed at the receiving end, no? Else the spell will be shot off into space and fizzle like a bad fart in the wind. Vader can use the Force to control Harry's arm so the spell won't hit him. Hell, Vader can even make Potter's arm point the stick at Potter's head. Vader can even snatch the stick from Potter's grasp with the Force. No stick, no spell, only death.
Engorgement charm. Indo story.
So......ignore, whatever, this post is full of pwn, full of superior screen feats, full of superior HP magic. I won't post here again, don't see the point, it'll keep going round and round and round, because you people are too blinded by HP hate to see what I say is true.
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A person being choked to death, and struggling, man child or whatever, will not have the rational thought to utter a spell. Period. You really need to agree with me on this. All they will do is *gurgle* *choke* *spit* etc.
I hereby dub thee, Rogue Jedi, as "Nice AC" because you are a nice person, but you share much with our fallen comrad, Alpha Centauri, in the sense that you refuse to relent even when show irrefutable proof.
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Last edited by Impediment on May 8th, 2010 at 11:37 PM
Unless Hogwarts has a professor who teaches students to cast spells with no wand under the stress of being choked to death while gagging for air, Harry has no chance.
Vader chokes and kills Harry before he utters a single syllable. Anyone who says that word of mouth and arm reaction is faster than cognitive thought is just delusional.
Engorgement charm No wand required, no incantation needed, Vader swells up and blows away.
If Harry is not being force choked, he has the other things I mentioned.
Either way, Harry wins.
Next question?
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No rational thought, eh? He faced down Voldemort toe to toe in GOF, man, and escaped. He dueled him after being tortured and LIVED.
"He's a child." Perfect example of Hp ignorance, man. Hary has dueled death eaters and Voldemort and NEVER, not once, froze.
"Harry'll panic", riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
Vader won't kill Potter with his mind, Harry has Occlumency. Pnwed. Besides, Vader will be too busy counting clouds as he floats away.
Bong. Keep 'em comin', Mattie, this shits TOO easy.
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This is true. However, Voldy wasn't choking him with his mind. And, IIRC, while Voldy was using Crucio on Harry, Harry did nothing except cry and writhe. And then Voldy stopped. Only then did Harry gain cohereance.
I was referring to your reference to lung power during choking. A full grown man, like you and I, have significantly more lung power than a child. Your saying that Potter's youth gives him more lung power is nil.
So if I were a telekinetic, and I used my TK powers to choke you, you wouldn't panic (writhe, spit, vomit, struggle)? C'mon, RJ. Give me SOME leeway, man. EVERYONE would panic during a choking. Just look at the expression on Nurse Ratched's face from One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest while Jack is strangling her.
When Vader is choking him, again, Harry will spit, vomit, and piss. You still didn't answer my question: Can Vader, while in hypothetical "balloon form" use the Force or not?
I may have to stop here soon. Dinner time, and all.
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Last edited by Impediment on May 9th, 2010 at 12:25 AM
It's cool, dude, you know my argument, I know yours, no use going page after page after page back and forth about it.
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So now that Potter somehow attacking first is dead and buried, your next angle is that Potter will just cast spells, freely, while he has a crushing force suffocating him? Really? Cos that's sad.
He's a boy, not some hardened warrior, he get's choked, he's going to panic, struggle and die. No shame in that, as grown men have done the same under Vader's grasp. /the end
Though I will always perceive Vader being no fast than Frankenstein. With a couple of crappy tricks and crappy sword skills.
Force Choke does wins this. Even if he turns Vader into a balloon that spell takes time and Vader could just easily kill Harry before he starts floating away. Which would turn out messy considering the armor and all.
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May 8th, 2010 04:36 PM
Perfect example of Hp ignorance, man. Hary has dueled death eaters and Voldemort and NEVER, not once, froze.
