Binds the Galaxy together. Singular, not plural. There's your proof.
Just cuz?
Ahahahaha again? Again with the orbital bombardment bullshit? Not gonna happen. No star destroyers, no death stars. My thread, my rules. Don't like it? PM Impediment.
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Powers, dude. Abiities. I never, not once, said they have all their gear. Star Destroyers and Death Stars are not powers/abilities, they are GEAR.
Mhm, to Neph you listen........
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Gear is what Potion making glasswear, books, Wands and Brooms are.
Nope Not "Just cause", in fact its because the only times at which they failed is when the shift of the force from light to dark (or vice versa) went against the Sith Or the Jedi.
And EVEN THEN neither side were completely blinded.
Evidence, Palpatine still being connected enough to achieve all up to ROTJ... Yoda still being connected enough forsee and thwart the assasination attempt by the clone troopers et al. to watch luke from afar, etc in dark times.
But since this is no "SW only" thread, for the sake of fairness, we assume that the force is at a neutral point in the swing.
The weak minded wizards would be susceptible to jedi force mind attacks and mind reading. However, none of the Jedi have any defense against the telepathy from the wizards because none of them are magical and cannot construct a magical defense against the attacks.
That means that the stupid kids would be affected but the more powerful adults would not.
Unless you want to claim that magic and the force are synonymous? If so, I disagree because that's very insulting to the force.
Correct. I figured that there was no reason to throw jargon around because Sadako probably knew what I was talking about from his many hours spent arguing with RJ. lol
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K. Still, Powers, dude. Abiities. Star Destroyers and Death Stars are not powers/abilities, they are GEAR.
Wizards, their wands and their magical abilities.
Jedi, their lightsabers and their force abilities.
Even playing field. A true test as to who is better.
That's it.
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Nothing to prove, it's a dead argument. Galaxy is singular. He never said Galaxies.
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My proof be that if the Jedi and Sith have use of their abilities, the force MUST be present in the galaxy arena to be a thread.
The evidence presented by common sense.
Or is this the entirely "Hahahaah Hogawrts win, when you strip the opposing force of all screenfeated attributes and basic givens" thread I thought it was..?
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OK then. Explain any and all threads with Neo or any other Matrix character in them.
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Id guess though that most of the time, if its IN the Matrix then Neo Pwns.
But if outside, mehhhh could be the other guy's fight.
Cause if Neo controls the Matrix, his opponent whilst in the matrix, is fu*ked, as far as I see it.
If the fight is in the Matrix, how'd the opponent get in?
If the fight is outside the Matrix, how does Neo retain his powers?
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Oh I gotcha.... They have to be wired into it, hardwire style.
I would be skeptical that he would...although its been forever since I watched those movies, I seem to remember him stopping squiddys in the outside world by holding out his hand... am I right..?
If thats the case, a part of his brain must've still been connected somehow to the matrix mainframe or whatever, in order to have that controlling mechanism over them. 'Cause him stopping them physically almost"Using the force" wouldn't be plausible in that scenario..
If the fight is in the future, then the Matrix could maybe run a perfect simulation of that character, maybe.
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Nope. All MVF fights, no matter where they occur, the combatant retains his/her powers. If Neo is fighting YuLaw in nakatomi plaza, outside the Matrix, he still has his powers.
So the force does not need to bind the galaxy here for the Jedi to have their powers.
Get it?
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But to automatically then assume that Potter's parlour tricks are gonna pwn the force, despite the force being all permeating and way more powerful than a death star in its microcosmic and and macroscosmic immensities, if just silly.
It's not about magic pwning the force, it's about who had more impressive and powerful feats using them.
Any fool can see that no Jedi, ever, not one, onscreen, ever came close to harnessing the force to it's full potential.
It's like pouring motor oil into a blocked funnel. The motor oil is gonna spill over the edges and onto the ground.
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True that weve never seen them unlock its full potential, but weve seen:
* People being BORN from it.
* People using it to help them destroy a Death Star.
* People sensing past present and future events through it.
* Kenobi sensing the deaths of people half a galaxy away from him, through it
* Vader using it to crush entire rooms, peoples throats with it at controlled pace, often from kilometers away across a Super destroyer
* Testimony to it binding all matter and energy in the galaxy/universe as far as we know, together.
* Ability to alter the fates of characters/guide them through impossible odds
* Ability to merge with a force user resulting in their luminous being state being able to get involved in events that their living contacts take part in. (Advising luke on tactical withdrawals on the Death Star even seconds after he sacrificed himself "Run Luke.. Run!!" and making Luke turn off his targeting computer and having Luke use the force to guide him on that Proton Torpedo shot.
* Ability to use TK with such force as to rip buildings apart and rip heavy pods clean away from their durasteel mountings, and propelling mutiple pods hundreds of feet through the aim, aiming at a target.
(A feat that would guarantee instant decap of opponents, if applied to a head, or neck , in a moralsless, ungimped, R rated encounter)
magic kept Harry from being killed by a death curse.
Harry used it to defeat....well, pretty much everything.
A wizard can become immortal with magic.
Vader force choked one person at a time, and it always took time. This is a stupid attack to do here.
*yawns*
Like getting shot by a bounty hunter who is armed with a single blaster?
HP ghosts do all this and then some.
Those pods did not have durasteel mountings, they were designed to float away from the walls.
No buildings were ever ripped apart.
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Vader clearly controls the rate at which he chokes people.
Obvious and cannot be distorted.
That room was TRASHED that vader wrecked, and if that was like a shed, the buildng was trashed. Plus the ability Dooku demonstrated to pull down ceilings was convincing.
Even so, that kind of force snaps necks like dry twigs.
Mounts or no.
How so? The pods did not have midichlorians in them.
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Jan 11th, 2011 03:34 PM
I figured that there was no reason to throw jargon around because Sadako probably knew what I was talking about from his many hours spent arguing with RJ. lol
