It doesn't. But she still saved him, which apparently is why Hinata saving Naruto was such a big deal. I was just giving an instance where Sakura did save the main character's life. Not that she saved him by putting her life on the line for it. She has done so with other characters though.
All my facetious, assclown joking aside, the fact of the matter is that Sakura has done the exact same thing, multiple times. You can try as hard as you possibly can to discredit the instances, but facts are facts. And hell, I can do the same thing.
"Hinata's sacrifice wasn't that selfless because she knew that if Naruto lost Konoha and by proxy her own life were going to be screwed."
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Depends on your definition of badass. They're both actually pretty ****ing lame, in my opinion, considering they frequently go out of their way chasing after men who barely aknowledge their existence. Idiots...
though I guess Naruto is doing the same thing. Everyone in Naruto is apparently somewhat retarded. There must be something in the water.
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Plus she still helps out her friend who lost to him.
This doesn't prove anything, if anything Sasuke and Naruto got into that shape because of her incompetance to begin with. In the end it was Lee who saved her, then Sasuke.
Hinata has actually lended Naruto great support and heavy embrace when he was actually vunerable and depressed.
Sakura moments with people are shallow compared to the moments Hinata has with her loved ones. It's not even close. Go ahead, show me one geniune moment where Sakura isn't forcing herself to be a use or a help because it's her weakness to be needed. When Hinata shows up, she's everything but selfish and inconsiderate. Just because you hate her doesn't mean you need to post abirtary flamebait to make Sakura into the better character.
It was selfless because it was from her heart and soul and not a guilt session like the majority of Sakura's fail moments. Naruto would have be screwed if Hinata didn't save her emotionally and physically.
Yeah totally, it was because of her incompetence, not because they went up against freakin Orochimaru. I'm sure, in your mind, Hinata would have singlehandedly obliterated Orochimaru with the power of her purity of heart or some shit right? Stop bringing up pointless things.
Because she's in love with him. How does this diminish Sakura in comparison?
Prove it. And no, I don't want to hear your warped explainations, provide actual scans from the manga where it is stated that their shallow.
I have about twenty times, you just interpret them to mean something else because you're biased.
It's kind of funny hearing that from someone who will actually ignore canon in favor of his personal opinion. Stop it.
That's nice. I don't really care about your personal spin on it, though. And I'm not going through this merry-go-round with you again.
We're all badasses then ain't we?
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Where to start with this? Naruto was kinda out of it when Sakura saved him, so he probably didn't realize what happened to him. Also, Hinata giving him a little medicine compared to actually saving his life is quite pathetic. Sakura has also treated him medically more times than Hinata has even so much as given him medicine. But I'll give you that, Naruto did confront Hinata about her totally saving his ass....wait.
Yes. Sakura had the skills to make a damn bit of difference in that fight. Also, Lee did save her. As did Team 10. But it doesn't change the fact that she toughened up and actually did try. Which at this point in the series, was unheard of for Sakura.
Um, she was so selfish taking that stab for Chiyo huh? I can show you genuine moments for Sakura but again, what's the point? You won't take them into consideration and will continue defending Hinata because you like her character more. And you seem to legit hate Sakura for all she is worth. And dude, trust me. The manga itself proves Sakura is a better character. We don't really need much else.
Now see, the whole argument for you is tied to the one instance with Pain. Even though Sakura did save his life, and she did, you ignore that. If you're going to be so biased, I won't blame you. It's natural a lot of fans just pick characters they like based on certain quirks. Like Hinata's quiet little determined behavior development crap is a great example. Fans adore the girl. And I don't really hate her. But she is not a better character than Sakura, not a more well rounded character, and since you go by databook logic, not even as skilled a shinobi as Sakura.
Still doesn't change the fact Hinata was reconized by Naruto first and formost in being someone who healed him/looked out for him. Thats funny, Hinata is the first girl who tended to his wounds with medical treatment. Hinata in a sense predated Sakura in being the healer. Did I say that Sakura didn't treat him more? Anyways, Hinata did something for her friends before Sakura got on the ball and had a better sense of empathy for Naruto before Sakura did. And thats all that matters.
All Sakura did was lay Naruto and Sakura on the ground and cut her hair. Which I deem common sense for any shinobi on a 3 man squad that has injured teammates. Hinata has healed the main character, inspired him, made him challenge his limits and gave him more insight to her and his failures so that he can achieve his goals.
Doesn't mean anything if said events failed to actually change Naruto. The first was simply Naruto asking Sakura for help which he failed to grasp still, it took Kakashi and Sasuke to help him utilize his chakra walking training.
2. Sakura is a medical ninja, it's her job. Why do you confuse common sense with genuine concern and development.
3. Not to be mean, but you can't debate to save your life.
Genuine moments that have back fired in her face. Like the Chiyo example you refuted, she tried to save Chiyo but she wasted her last antidote because of her decision to act on a worst case scenario. That stab btw was jutsu, she deliberately took the brunt because she prepared for it but Chiyo didn't need saving to begin with she still had her puppets by her side. Oh, and I dare you to bring up other moments so I can tear them down. No, I just know how to gradually see through a characters strength and flaws and break them down for a emphasis on their likeabilty and intrigue. And I said Hinata isn't my favorite character, however her flaws aren't as apperent as Sakura's so she's the lesser of two evils. Not really, Hinata is not only the better character, she's the most popular of the two and because she isn't showcased and shown more like Sakura, she suffers less from constant nitpick from fans except the NaruSaku and pairing fans.
A pivitol moment > Your bias opinion on saving someone. It was absolute that Hinata did what she did to save Naruto, honestly Sakura saved Naruto once, the rest was Sakura screw up trying to save him. LOL arrogant much, you don't know me and I don't know you. Your strawman rebuttals and insults to me are short sighted and pointless as the hate you display on Hinata. That is your opinion, I know she's not as strong as Sakura databook or not, but I can see that her character shines above Sakura's portrayal. Which Kishimoto admitted, she was a destestable chick and bad character in an interview once. ANd even admitted Hinata was a better heroine than her. It goes to show you when the author admits something of that level on the characters he created he knows and I know what I'm talking about. Of course, Sakura's the main female, she's above Hinata by default because she's the the primary female lead. She's the heroine, but she's not a better character.
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