Seen yours. Doesn't matter. I don't care about pairings but you believe her character is better and well, it puzzles me to not end.
No hateable things eh? How about...no character outside of one guy. Sakura, unlikable as she may be to most fans, can exist on her own. Hinata can not. She is nothing if Naruto didn't exist in the manga and pretty much the only thing she is there for is to develop him. She represents what a true woman should be? Yes, my perfect woman is such a shy, relatively boring, and not all that cute regardless of what fans might say. Except that's not at all what I like. I like tomboy girls, I like girls who get by on more than just cuteness. And I especially like strong woman who can take care of themselves. Hinata is not any of those things.
Yes Hinata truly is the only girl who appreciates him. In part 1 you'd have an argument. In part 2, plenty of girls admire Naruto. Temari, Ino, and Sakura have all admired him at least once. Hard worker that never gives up? Cool, tell me when I care. Sakura does that. Lee does that. Neji does that. She's special because she's a hard worker? Please. She has had 2 fights, Neji and Deva Path. So I don't know exactly where you see strong, considering she showed up, said some sweet things about Naruto and how he inspired her, and yada yada yada. And then her opponent, smacked her to the ground. Yeah, she has come a lot farther than Sakura.
Girl I can talk to, get a long with, see myself growing closer to> Any of Hinata's features.
Again Kushina> All. Though, definitely wouldn't put Hinata in front of Sakura, much less Temari.
She wins what? As a character, she is nothing but a tool Kishi can use to mess with Naruto. She doesn't fight, and doesn't do anything worth the overwhelming amount of time the fans use to talk about her. Anime filler is one thing, but if you're reading the manga, you've got no real reason to like her unless you're the silly kind that considers shy cute for some reason. Before you get hasty, when Hinata gave her life for Naruto, it was one of the best moments in the series. It was sad, it was regretful, but most of all that scene has power and heart to it. But she gets brought back just to be tossed to the side again. And the anime made the scene worthless too.
Sakura is by far superior. She makes mistakes yes, big ones. But she has a character to make those mistakes. She can affect other people, she can learn from them, and she can get things done. She does things that matter. Everyone talks about Hinata when Pain showed up, but Sakura did what Hinata did at age 12, when she was completely useless. There isn't really anything Hinata has done that made her special, period. Nothing Sakura hasn't done, really. And Sakura, main character though she may be, does a lot more. She is useful.
Well, valid point. But that doesn't really reflect Hinata as it does Hinata of the Hyuuga clan. Would take her down to the level of Shino if we only left her with the clan stuff. So she can exist without Naruto just not to much worth.
Well technically, she hasn't exposed herself more in the manga to be more flawed or impressionable to have anything wrong with her like Sakura, so yes she is a better character because all of her apperences have been gradual growth and positive.
You could say the same for Sakura, at least her ties to one guy is more relevance to her development than I can say the other rookies who have their own backrounds but are still shafted for the main characters.And when has she existed without Naruto or Sasuke or even her own characters becoming of age as a person who can't do shit for anyone not named Naruto or Sakura? Actually she grew at a latent rate compared to the rookies, as Naruto was a part of her entire growth, it was her own iniative she turned this way up to this point. Yes, and thats supposed to be a good thing, the main character is supposed to inspire and change people for the better, for Hinata it made her who she is today. With her own will power, she took from being a loser to being a respected Hyuuga and a capable ninja on her own right. Last I checked Sakura did the same when Sasuke left and was going to change for Sasuke's sake. How is she boring when she's the one who makes the fanboys boners hard with her cute and innocent behavior? I don't see how people dislike such a trait. People like cute things right? Then you must not be reading the manga right. Last I checked, she saved the main lead on her own free will and ****ing took it to him as a human sacrafice to save him.
Don't compare chicks who said nice thing about Naruto and acknowledged him to a girl who's been following his example and characters good nature since day one. Shallow argument is shallow. Sakura improved because of Sasuke, Lee improves because he wants Neji to acknowledge him and Neji improved because he is wanting change. I like Neji too, but you can't compare him or Lee to the girl who was shunned by her father and then having a role model thereafter to get her through to emotional responses of having no place in a fathers heart. Especially if said role model was the hated and outcasted nine tailed jinnchuriki who had no one but his own resolve to pull himself through and Sasuke. First of all, Sakura would be in the same shoes as Hinata in getting pwned, she didn't get pwned faster because unlike Sakura's talentless taijutsu overcompensation, she has a taijtusu superior to Sakura's, the reason she held out longer in her fight against Neji.
And at least she did something to make Deva Pain pull back a step, closer than anyone so far in the manga. Sakura gets a pass because she's the main female even then she never displayed a feat that makes her better because her opponents are always stationary and slow. Got pwned by a black kid and a tail from Kyuubi, some improvement.
Sasori was just PIS.
You really think of Sakura that bareable considering her lies and bullshit? Hinata would be better to get along with. Even if she's shy, she's honest and trustworthy.
Kushina is fat sueish ginger tramp who Minato needed to bang. She's a trophy wife.
Hinata is the next freaking heiress to the strongest clan in Konoha. Shy girl wins.
I'd put Moegi in front of Sakura just to show she's that crap.
Thats Sakura dude. Again I blame Kishimoto for his blatant treatment of girls over boys. But still, she shows more promise than She man Nurse. Well if you dislike decent human beings that don't have a once of douchebaggery, then I really must like her. Yeah, is that why everyone is praising the episode and saying its the best scene in this freakin fight? Your just talking about nothing.
Kishimoto depicted Sakura to be a despiscable girl who takes others good will and uses them for her own selfish reasons. Hell he even said Hinata is more heroineish. Sakura is not even a big time character in this manga, out of all the characters or the main three Kishimoto made her the worst type of character to imitate. Sakura keeps missteping her boundries, screws up dynamics, puts people in danger and still underestimates her comrades for the sake of her own perspective. She's a Total ***** of the highest degree and one of the worst female heroines in an manga. She's to shallow and too incompetant to be a true human character that fans relate to. She What Sakura did was almost bordeline retarded and non scensical, because Sasuke was about to throw Sakura's life away if she went with him. It was childish and ignorant because Sakura really didn't understand. Hinata however understood, acted on her beliefs, made the descion not based on her feelings but on her nature and loyalty as a ninja and made the call to die for it so Naruto could live or be saved some how. But her love for Naruto was so strong it made sense for her to kill herself due to what Naruto has done for her and what it would mean if she didn't act like she did. Hinata character did more for Naruto than Sakura ever did for him. Hell it strengthened his resolve to fight pain. Sakura just needs to die somewhere. She can't do shit without a man. She even said she's useless without Sasuke or Naruto. That is why Hinata will win Naruto's heart. Her devotion and reliance on Naruto will most likely affect future generations on how to follow Naruto's example which is like the entire story.
Sakura doesn't even have on panel parents or a bloodline, she's well rounded how?
Characters who only progress positively and keep becoming a great person. Reminds me so much of Bella from Twilight. Sakura's growth over the time skip easily out shines Hinata, who has shown exactly one new move guys. Ain't that awesome? And who wants a character with flaws, that you can relate to? I just want all sorts of goodness in the world.
Being tied to Sasuke and Naruto is still better than being tied only to Naruto. Sakura became strong so she could help Naruto save her friend. She chose to do this and she came a long way. She has forged relationships with the likes of Tsunade and Chiyo, building on top of bonds with Sasuke, Naruto, and Kakashi. Hinata can not say the same because the only time she is seen, it involves Naruto. Until she does something that is worth the words capable, don't bother using the words. She is boring because she does nothing. She always talks about Naruto and how he changed her and how he saved her and how she loves him and I hate that. It's annoying as shit. Fan boys get boners because Hinata has breasts. Big deal. That's boring. Sakura again, has had normal conversations with characters like Chiyo and Sai. Hinata might get to talk to her team once in a while, but other than that, they have no real bond. Yes, I have not read the manga. Even though I stated how amazing and great that one particular scene was. Her jumping in front of Pain doesn't show she can take care of herself....at all. That's like me arguing that Sakura can take care of herself when she tried to stop 4 tails Naruto. That's kind...but its stupid.
Lee & Neji became strong after hardships that would make little Hinata kill herself she's so frail. So her Daddy didn't like her? Whoop dee doo. Sasuke's didn't like him either, so can I say he is an awesome character for working hard and mastering the fireball? No I can't. There's only so much hardworking characters can get out of me before I say I don't care anymore. Hinata is nothing more than a character bound to Naruto who "grows" because of him. Even Sakura had a better reason to grow than him. Speaking of the Chunin exams, Sakura overcame mind control if I'm right. Though Ino was low on chakra. That's still more impressive than "Naruto-kun, I'll be strong." *Slap*
Sakura saved more lives during the Pain invasion that Hinata. She took down one of the Summons with a nice punch and went to the hospital to help medics. That's still more than Hinata, who did one thing, however helpful to the plot it may have been. Hinata would have been paralyzed in front of Kyuubi form Naruto. Really though, it doesn't matter. Sakura still does things, Hinata does not. Sasori being the plot made me lol. All the villains have to die eventually so I may as well call PIS on them too. In fact the only reason Neji beat Hinata was PIS, amirite? Sakura had help with Sasori. A lot of help. But she contributed just as much to his defeat.
Yes I do consider Sakura that bareable. Are you that butt hurt over what she said to Naruto? Cause that's the only lie that really comes to mind at the moment. Well, she did trick Kiba and them so that counts as one too maybe. Still, she did those for the right reasons, like you said before. I'd rather have a woman who would lie to me for the right reasons than a girl who again, has a one tracked mind over everything and is ever so shy.
Kushina was 1000 times the person Hinata was. Not only did she save herself by leaving her hair as a trail, she also beat up real *canon* bullies. And she was the Kyuubi's host so Hinata can keep her little eyes that her cousin and sister can use better. And I was right, you are a Sakura hater.
I do dislike people that aren't likable. Hinata gives me no reason to like her, period. She's nice, sure, but the world has a lot of nice people in it. Even Sakura can show a bit of niceness at the age of 12, to Naruto I might add. Everyone can praise that scene if they want. It's filled with non canon padding, stupid music, and it actually pissed me off the most by showing what has to be one of the most illogical back stories, ever. Keep your anime, the manga itself packs enough emotion for me kid.
So? Sasuke right now is the biggest jerk in the world. I still like his character. Because its interesting to compare how far he has come as a character. Same as Sakura. Not for Hinata though, who is still shy and timid and done exactly nothing that really sets her apart. So what if she is more of a heroine than Sakura? Being a hero is overrated. And Sasuke would be the worse to imitate, not Sakura. So shallow and so incompetent isn't she? She's not so shallow that fans can't relate to her, go to youtube and find all the SakuraHaruno 1337 or etc there might be. And the scene I was referencing was said scene with Gaara. Try and know the manga before assuming what scene I mean. Oh, and don't even try and say what she did to save Naruto from Pain was out of loyalty for a comrade. It shallows that whole scene if you do. She did it because she loves Naruto. Hinata did more for Naruto than Sakura, how cute. If your own analysis was right, you compared Sakura to a motherly presence in his life. And in that regard, yeah she has done more. She was there when he was injured, there to help him. Like she said, she can only do small things for him. But they're still done for him because he is special to her as a friend. Sakura may be useless without Naruto and Sasuke. Hinata is useless without Naruto. That's not the point. She may very well end up with Naruto. She is in existence because of him and is only there for his development.
Hm, I guess it could work, though oddly I've almost never seen stuff with the pairing.
She interacts heavily with Naruto, Kakashi, Sasuke, and a lot of other characters, whereas Hinata pretty much only has scenes with her team (and mainly Kiba there), Naruto, and Neji.
Sakura does have a lot more character development time on screen.
I disagree- take a look at the second bell test. She's got good combat skilled and helped Naruto a lot.
Also in terms of usefulness, she's saved Hinata and Karin's lives (and before getting into any judgement of Karin, keep in mind that in doing so Sakura netted Konoha a valuable intelligence asset to grill), has healed Naruto, and probably some other stuff I'm forgetting.
Or on the social end, convincing Naruto to work with Sai, which was important to turning Sai to their side.
I'm rooting for Hinata too, but Sakura's still pretty close to Naruto and has a good deal of development.
I don't hate Hinata to be perfectly honest. I just feel like more could be done with her than what is done. Kishi needs to work on minor characters other than Shikamaru for once.
A funny thing is Naruto has more supporting cast time than a lot of it's predecessors, hence us caring about them enough to see even more, but it's not a true ensemble cast.
Not only is Hinata an poorly developed character, but she's also the baby-faced mumbling annoyance who actually think that she is independent, strong and capable even though she hasn't been anything but hindrance. At least Sakura is somewhat capable depending on the situation and has advanced the plot to some degree.
Well, to be honest I was talking about when they fought Gaara and she jumped in between him and Sasuke with her kunai raised. But your example is good too, probably better considering it had moar time focused on it. Indeed, it was her crowning moment. She needs another one. Then again, her name isn't Sasuke or Naruto so we aren't likely to see that any time soon.
[QUOTE=12819164]Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
[B]Would quote but character limit is dumb.
What does Twilight have to do with Hinata's character? Sakura has had one moment in the spotlight and thats in the rescue gaara arc, she hasn't out shined anyone. At least Hinata doesn't bring nothing but pain and suffering to the main protagonist and overcompensates her uselessness by being a medic ninja.
O rly, your the one that said chicks with no individual goals or motivations are crap but they are a dime a dixen in this manga. Yeah it's not like she could improve herself just so she can make a difference in the world like a certain Hyuuga right? But she just improved for one boy and how she feels for him. Of course she formed new bonds more than Hinata, she's a main character. Hinata unforunately doesn't have a proper buld up like Sakura due to her being one of the side characters and a basically a mystery outside her clan and feelings for Naruto. But her progress is decent enough, because we don't even see Shikamaru bond more with Ino or Chouji compared to Asuma. You're saying Hinata should have more relevance as a character astonishes me, you sure you hate her? Naruto is the main lead, everything is invovled to him. But just because thats her only character point as a side character doesn't mean it makes her irrelevant and useless. It actually expands her character above most other characters because her only thing that seperates herself from the rookies is her feelings for Naruto and how he helps her progress. She saved the main character from being captured and even before than is an execellent tracker and spotted the Uchiha hideout with her Byakugan before anyone else did so. Sure she's not a healer and medic nin thus expanding Sakura's usefulness, but no one has that sort of plot relevance to Team 7. You never had a role model in life did you? You want to calll Luffy annoying for Shanks inspiring and leading him to e a great pirate or Spiderman being inspired by Captain Amaerica and Ben Parker for being the person he is today. Some people have a person that drives them and helps shape their confidence and insecurites so that they can motivate themselves to meet that standard. Even the main character had a role model and that was freaking Sasuke, and Sasuke's role moder was Itachi it doesn't stop from their, Madara role model was the guy who handed him his ass, Shodai. Overall Hinata's a character who build herself from the ground up thanks to a boy she likes and how his struggle and his personality helped change that. I repsect people who owe themselves to others. So loud and irrational chicks are your thing huh, must be a machoist. In the end she never really learned anything from their experiences or characters, like I said she's stuck on Sasuke. She's all talk and no action. Your confusing lack of screen time to lack of real bond. Yeah, she did take care of herself. She did soemthing that all the others wouldn't do because they were to caught up in the aftermath of Pains attack plus she saw the fight with her Byakugan and saw Naruto fall. Now she made a difference and saved Naruto. Sakura didn't have the benefit or the timing to stop 4 tails because she yet again didn't know her limits, plus Yamato told her not to interfere because he can surpress his chakra, she did so anyway(cuz she's fickle like that). Hinata's actions were vital or else Naruto would have been captured and killed.
Lee and Negi didn't live under a strict and imposing father than forsaked her life for her younger sister and made her train vigorously to death to hone a clan head even though she his own daughter and flesh and blood. The pressure must of caused her to be self conscious and extremely timid. I relate to her. Sasuke is a genius in the making, he was trying to impress his brother more than his father. Sasuke doesn't have that problem because he is supposed to be a tragic character with a shitload of talent. Hinata's character is supposed to be one of hardship but inspiration and growth. She had problems, she had trials and still she overcame her hurdles and became a fine kunoichi because like Naruto she was a loser and a failure but still worked hard and strengthed her resolve. It comes down to which case seems more enderaing to the fan really. It's based on opinions just like the majority of your arguement. Hinata to me represents true strength of mind and body despite what her initial flaws are. She's shy and soft spoken and still has more heart and soul than any other female character I've seen in this manga, because every other chick is to confident and well aware but not unpredictible and relatable enough IMO. No one saw it coming when she came to Naruto's rescue and at least buy Naruto time to get the Kyuubi out. Wow, you base Sakura's PIS victory on Hinata's beliefs and confidence. Sakura had nothing to be better, because she was fixated on Sasuke didn't care a squat for anything but Sasuke, she only wanted to improve herself because she wants to be their for her emo boyfriend.
Talk about shallow. Hinata not even entirely Naruto focused, she cares about Neji as a person and aspires to rival him. And just because it's not elaborated on, doesn't mean she doesn't hold her team mates over Naruto, she views them just as precious to her.
The quality outweights the quantity. Of course, it was Naruto and Tsunade who saved the village overall. So? Konoharumaru one shoted Hell Pain, you're bias for Hinata has no bounds. Any sane and proper person would view the entire Pain arc as a cesspool of character fanservice that help contribute their part to the invasion. But you single out Hinata as this burden on Naruto and the manga because LOL your blind to your hate. The author had made the girl save the main character from certain doom, thats all that I need to accept. At least she didn't scream out for the main character ala Princess Peach LOL Sakura holds everyone down and ruins characters, Hinata does not. The fact she made an antidote of screen that surpass all the suna medic nins and even Chiyo so they could fight Sasori's iron sand hax is PIS of the highest order. In fact, without Chiyo, Sakura would have died the first attack by Sasori and even then Sakura really did nothing significant she was controled by Chiyo 80% of the fight. LOL yeah, Sasori didn't even go all out and take the fight seriously, add to the fact Chiyo was fighting, Sakura was the decoy/puppet and Sasori was made to kill himself via emo flashback. Disappointing, evne after all that Sakura is still weaker than all that when she got kicked by Omoi and owned by Kyuubi.
The right reasons made her totally no better than the man she loves and apperently had to kill. As being one who never understands men, she took advantage of her friends loyalty, made a plan, and screwed up nearly costing not only her comrades lives but the one person who she depends on on the hard times after Sasuke left. Then she ****ing couldn't kill Sasuke when he had his back turned because she's a fickle ***** that I would choke over and over. This is why you'll never be a truly happy person or a moralistic well rounded guy. If you think that, you might as well be gay or racist. And who one tracked when all she does it see the good in people and makes people smile.
Canon fodder ish fodder. Until she shows a true impressive display of combat prowess, she's no one but a overhyped mary sue. Wow look whos talking. Technically, despite being inferior to Neji fighting prowess wise, her byukugan range surpasses her cousin by meters and sight. So technically she can scout better than Neji can. Hanabi is just like Ten Ten, forgotten.
You don't see to like the people who rather look before they leap and embrace people who need to scream and shout their personalities then. Ungraceful people aren't your thing? Sakura's bits of kindness is nothing compared to her track record of failure and stupidity. It's probably the only thing that has enough depth and great emotion since Shippuden started or even the manga started since part 2, you can keep your shallow, inconsistant, NaruSaku/NaruSasu, one trick pony shounen plot to yourself then, I'll try to etch out the quanities from the quailites unlike you will and read the manga for the top moments and scenes.
The most you've said is the reasons people hate Sasuke and Sakura. So just because she has the purest and least selfish intentions out of the rookies and is the most graceful and modest female character she doesn't have anything that sets her apart? ANyone who relates to Sakura might need therapy. The manga elborates Hinata has someone who is supposed to view as a personal representation of a girl who sees a boy she loves suffers and helps the best she can. Hinata "even if she saved Naruto out of love" would have done the same thing for anyone, all because it's the right thing to do and it's a part of the "will of Fire" theme. Hinata saved Naruto because of her nature to feel and understand for people, Naruto was just the center of the picture the author had painted for Hinata. Thank you for admitting that Hinata's lack of potential and development is stemed on the fact Kishimoto can't write female competance without a male presense. And I'm arguing it's not her fault. She may need Naruto for the majority of her screentime and development, but it's still acceptable to me if it shows her improving herself and being one who can grow and change into something greater. Unlike Sakura, who has been nothing but a regression in the process, she heals people because thats her overcompensation for being a weak and useless character that represents a human normal girl apperently. Hinata still shows more promise. If Kishimoto will make a War, I'm sure she'll shine like she did the Pain arc.
The Plot is Naruto, Sakura just branched some aspects of it by contributing to the main characters resolve.
Hinata however has helped develop the main character himself, the plot(or rather Naruto) seems to change when Hinata does something important and then she drives the main character to develop into a man and forwards the main characters plotline of just being a better person.
Sakura's character is soley to be there for her team and loving Sasuke.
Hinata's character is soley to be for Naruto, support him and give him character development personally so he can have the motivation and reason to be the damn main protagonist.
Umm.... Sasori? Protecting the scroll in the forest? Making that potion? Motivating Naruto to get Sasuke back?
Twice actually. Both times by getting her ass whooped.
And I'm not bothering with the argument from a few pages back. Survice to say that I didn't lie originally becuase you can't lie about a hypothetical situation.
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Personalized character progression is not plot development. Sakura did those things to improve her own character's direct invovlment with the progonist. Sasori was her own test of progression and it was directly tied to getting Sasuke back for her own reasons. Come to think of it, Sakura is only a self serving character who doesn't effect anything on the grand scale. She didn't change Naruto or effect his resolve, he's always been the same around her and has never evauated his purpose as a plot driven character.
You must've missed the time she motivated Naruto to fight Neji and progressed his plot line further. And then she once again forwarded his resolve to save Sasuke with her help, even worrying about his safety. Then theres the Pain arc which really contributed to his characters resolve. Without Hinata or Minato, the story would end. Thats more significant than I could say Sakura.
You seem to be mistaking Naruto himself for the plot. He isn't, he's just the protagonist. If Sakura hadn't of defended the teams scroll (or inspired Lee to) then they wouldn't have passed to the next part of the exam. End of manga. Heck, Naruto and Sasuke might have flat up died. Without her Chiyo dies and Sasori lives, and Gaara dies too. Naruto goes into a depression probably at Gaara's death. By contrast the two most significant things Hinata does is get her ass kicked by Neji and Pain. Those are the only two things she does in the entire series now that I think about it.
Too big to cover everything so I picked out the single most thing that made me lol more than anything. And I found it.
You do not say things like this in defense for Hinata, who still has fewer wins than TenTen. Suffice it to say, Kushina in her flashback is still more impressive by beating up children. Hinata couldn't even do that if you believe the bull crap anime filler.
I feel like playing a game. Name every instance of Hinata doing something that mattered, saying something nice, doing something kind, whatever. And I'll match you using Sakura during the Sasori fight. If I find that you can match it, I'll be serious and use all of Sakura's moments.
My favorite character is Shikamaru, a character who is well developed and a side character. And Asuma's death>Pain stabbing Hinata. So no, it's not the most emotional thing evar. Sorry. And I told you not to pretend that Hinata did that for him as a comrade. And the reason I know she did it because it was Naruto was her own admittance to her selfishness.
Also, you say I hate Hinata so now its time to put up or shut up. I've admitted that she is boring and does nothing. But that does not equal hate. I admitted to finding the scene where she sacrifices herself to be powerful and stated that she isn't used enough. You on the other hand, have insulted Sakura for little reason. Plenty of times. You're more a hater than I good sir.
Sakura has moved the plot along several times. Hinata has maybe 4 times, that's generous.
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Jun 26th, 2010 06:46 AM
Um..... Sasuke?
