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When Morgan froze I knew his friend was going to die in some stupid way.

But most people on this show die in stupid ways so...


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Yeah its dumb that when a character is going through their emotional BS and it gets others killed.
That stupid frozen confusion nonsense. We seen this shit from Gabriel, Sasha, battling inner demons thing , and Tyreese (got him killed).

Now Morgans fuq ups have cost lives and will continue to do so. Like leaving those wolves alive in the forest when he ran into then the first time. It led to them going on a killing spree in Alexandria.
Now leaving that hostage wolf alive is a mistake as well. The wolf is straight up telling him that leaving him alive means that he will kill anyone that he gets a hold of. Even children.


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And even after the whole story. The Alpha Wolf said I'm gonna kill you anyway...and Morgan let him live.

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I think Morgan believes he's paying tribute to Eastman saving his life by carrying on his philosophy, which under normal circumstances would be honorable and, honestly, commendable, but he's putting innocent people's lives at risk for the sake of this philosophy, and self defense isn't murder. There is a time and circumstance where killing someone is justified.


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This whole episode was a big bag of been there seen it before and didn't buy the movie on VHS.


Still don't see why it rated a 90 minute special.


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Yeah, I agree it likely could have been a regular hour long episode, but I didn't mind them fleshing out Morgan's current "Book of Eli" persona, and plus Lennie's a good actor. Honestly, this was likely just a ploy to milk the suspense with the herd/Glenn/Rick situation since all of this is taking place concurrently.


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Yeah he did. [SPOILER - highlight to read]: He choked him out which is what led to him being a zombie a month or so later. What I found stupid was that Eastman, who is obviously proficient in Aikido and had a staff in his hand, didn't just step next to Morgan and hit the damn walker with his staff versus trying to pull Morgan out of the way.
No, i meant that he didnt kill him permanantly... as in, brain trauma.

I know the writers did it intentionally to try makng the point that killing has consequneces, but that's a stupid point to try making considering the consequence wouldnt have existed if morgan had poked the guy through the brain.

The entire philosophy is bullshit and that scene didnt justify it at all.


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Originally posted by MF DELPH
Yeah, I agree it likely could have been a regular hour long episode, but I didn't mind them fleshing out Morgan's current "Book of Eli" persona, and plus Lennie's a good actor. Honestly, this was likely just a ploy to milk the suspense with the herd/Glenn/Rick situation since all of this is taking place concurrently.



Let's not call it Book of Eli, lol. Because while Eli didn't like to fight, he had no problem mutilating or killing you if you f*cked with him. If Morgan had Eli's attitude, a lot of people who should be dead, would be, and those that shouldn't would still be alive. All of those wolves for example would have holes in their skulls.

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Yeah, I agree it likely could have been a regular hour long episode, but I didn't mind them fleshing out Morgan's current "Book of Eli" persona, and plus Lennie's a good actor. Honestly, this was likely just a ploy to milk the suspense with the herd/Glenn/Rick situation since all of this is taking place concurrently.


He is definitely one of the top actors that has been on twd, no doubt. Sometimes the writing makes me think wtf and that's no fault of his. I complain, but I still like and will continue watching the show. The Glenn issue will be resolved, I think. At least until next season.


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Originally posted by MF DELPH
Yeah, I agree it likely could have been a regular hour long episode, but I didn't mind them fleshing out Morgan's current "Book of Eli" persona, and plus Lennie's a good actor. Honestly, this was likely just a ploy to milk the suspense with the herd/Glenn/Rick situation since all of this is taking place concurrently.


I will admit that I did like getting to see the Guy that was Drew Carrey's brother back on the screen again.

He Is a good actor.


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Best episode of the year thus far.


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I liked Morgan a lot better when he didn't act like an absolute idiot, who willingly/knowingly endangered the lives of his group by keeping a violent child-killer alive in the city. The more episodes he's in, the more irritated I get with his characterization.

They've just gone WAY overboard with his "I don't wanna hurt nobody!!!" persona.

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No mas.


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I liked Morgan a lot better when he didn't act like an absolute idiot, who willingly/knowingly endangered the lives of his group by keeping a violent child-killer alive in the city. The more episodes he's in, the more irritated I get with his characterization.

They've just gone WAY overboard with his "I don't wanna hurt nobody!!!" persona.



...Blade 4, here we come.


After seeing this last episode, while I personally disagree with Morgan's position because, as a viewer of the tv show, it's pretty evident there will be ramifications from his philosophy and decisions in the story from our 4th wall perspective, but for his in story narrative his position makes sense because the man who taught him that philosophy is who talked him off the ledge. The character was broken and was asking to be put down and Eastman's Aikido training, counselling, and philosophy is what saved him from being lost to the madness of their world, so it makes sense he'd cling to his crutch, even if only until the ramifications become so dire he's forced to make a big decision (which is likely what is going to occur).


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^ The problem is that Morgan is keeping a guy who outright admitted that he would brutally kill ANYONE he came across, literally right next door to the helpless citizens of Alexandria. IOW, he is needlessly putting others in jeopardy as a half-assed way of trying to 'pay it forward'. If he wanted to keep the Wolf as a pet, that's fine, but at least move him to a remote location AWAY from the community.

At least when bald Steven Seagal found and trained Morgan, the only person he was putting in danger was himself... Not dozens of others(inc. women and children.)

So no. What Morgan is doing doesn't make any rational sense at all. In a way, he's actually being quite selfish by putting his 'morals' above the safety of others.


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Morgan is an fagit


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^ The problem is that Morgan is keeping a guy who outright admitted that he would brutally kill ANYONE he came across, literally right next door to the helpless citizens of Alexandria. IOW, he is needlessly putting others in jeopardy as a half-assed way of trying to 'pay it forward'. If he wanted to keep the Wolf as a pet, that's fine, but at least move him to a remote location AWAY from the community.

At least when bald Steven Seagal found and trained Morgan, the only person he was putting in danger was himself... Not dozens of others(inc. women and children.)

So no. What Morgan is doing doesn't make any rational sense at all. In a way, he's actually being quite selfish by putting his 'morals' above the safety of others.


I agree, in so much as the ramifications of what he's doing are apparent from our perspective as viewers and knowing what is likely going to happen. I'm just saying that, given the narrative being established for the character, this course of action makes sense because we're talking about a dude that was completely broken and this philosophy is what is keeping him from being broken again. The character doesn't want to kill because he's afraid he'll go to that bad place again, and also he feels that what Eastman did for him can be done for others. He doesn't possess the mentality of Rick, Michonne, or Carol where second chances and redemption aren't worth the risk. Morgan hasn't gotten there yet, just like Glenn apparently hasn't, and apparently compassion will get you got.


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This episode sure did kill some momentum the show had going for it


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