It doesn't matter if Sakura's faster, stronger or smarter. She's not beating Hinata in CQC or nintaijutsu prowess. Hinata being a Hyuuga has a advantage of having the Byukugan, the Gentle Fist style and superior movement tracking scouting abilites that make Hinata to versitile for Sakura to engauge in melee combat.
Hinata closing tenkensu makes Sakura to loser, because once she's in range, Hinata is closing about all of her chakra networks ala Neji. Speed never matter to a Hyuuga, Hinata tagged ninja's faster than her and landed consecutive strikes that would put down a normal ninja and guess what, Sakura's a normal ninja.
Besides, Sakura has no combat feats other than Smash Punch, Bushin Feint and lol chakra techinique, Hinata is a pupil in taijutsu, how is a girl with generic taijutsu skills going to out do a martial artist with moderate mastery of her style?
It's like saying Kiba could defeat Lee in hand to hand combat. Utterly impossible.
Your underestimating Hinata, check out the gifs I posted. It's that hard to believe that Hinata's that badass and gar. While Sakura exhuasting herself fliping and smashing shit, Hinata takes down things with a palm or a touch and the fights over.
"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
Oh and I forgot, Hinata has a better durabilty feat than Sakura, she outlasted Pain about 4 times before she was uttery defeated. Pain used his strongest attack(Shinra Tensei) to stop Hinata by the way.
Sakura isn't one shotting anything that tough.
Shugohakke Rokujūyon Shō at Hinata's age currently, probably S rank because the jutsu owned a Boss Summon and every single bee in her field of vision.
Guess how stronger it will be now.
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"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
Yes because the faster, stronger, and smarter opponent usually loses. Stop and consider the fact that Sakura knows all of the Byakugan's traits because she was asking about it during the fight between Neji and Hinata. She knows her opponents skills and she probably won't be that disadvantaged by it.
Hinata is slower than Sakura, does not have the analyzing ability of the sharingan, and Sakura punches her. The only thing that really makes a damn bit of difference to this scenario is her POTETSFP which might keep Sakura at a distance for like, a minute. Push come to show, Sakura out lasts her due to better stamina.
Kiba and Lee is a poor comparison. Lee and Neji would have been better. Also, if Narutopedia is correct, she has more moves than Hinata....And you really are being petty not allowing the manga feats past Pain. I just realized that Sakura could very easily just put Hinata to sleep like she did Kiba, Lee, Akamaru, and Sai.
lol. I'm glad our relationship has transcended to the point where I can shut you down and you just go with the flow. Kind of like House and his subordinates.
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i debated this in the battledome and we broke down the fight to sakura landing 2 solo punches - she got kazekage puppet and one of the 100 puppet(w/out chiyo) while chiyo backed her up in one way or another (i think chiyo saved her 10-12 times during that fight).
the fact is, yes she has fire power, but she simply cant stand upto a beating and her evasion skills are questionable without chiyo, so that fight cant be used as a reference to actual ability as nothing is clear-cut.
as for sword, well its painful and she did collapse from it but it was never k.o blow.
And really Hinata has stronger feats. She with her cousin one shotted and performed high level Jyukken taijutsu on a Boss Summon the size of Gambunta. Sakura isn't going to outlast her blows no matter what you say.
Slower? speed makes no diffence if your taijutsu and reaction timing is above the norm(reason why Naruto can tango with Sasuke because his speed sucks but his fighting style with Kage Bushun makes him compensate his lack of speed), and Sakura's no agile quuen either.
Do you not recall at the beginning of the time split when it was Sakura and Naruto vs Kakashi?
Every punch was dodged.
Sasori? Shir almost died.
Pain? She beat a summon, not even a kick ass one like Gamabunta or some shit...just fodder.
Hell Kn0 naruto could hold back Orichimaru's snake (It's name was forgotten ever since it died like a ***** to sasuke).
Her beating a summon is nothing.
Sage mode naruto THROWS EM...like they're paper.
Sasuke uses summons as bomb shields.
He kicks them with ease
Sakura is nothing.
Hell Hinata surpassed her in term's of significance in actual fighting against pain.
Her little moment was the turning point in the damn entire arc.
Look basically anyone can dodge Sakura's punches, even a kid like Konoharmaru. Sakura is gonna have to trick Hinata if she wants to hit her, and that ain't possible because Hinata can see what Sakura's up to with her 360 vision.
Liar. When the 100 Puppets appeared, Sakura could not have been being controlled by Chiyo. So every puppet she took down was her own skills. Sakura also took an explosion to the face and then got up. Of course she can't take a hit. How is her evasion brought into question? She dodges Tsunade's attacks in flashbacks. And Chiyo comments how she isn't helping her. And excuse me, but you didn't just say the sword hit she took wasn't a fatal wound did you?
She didn't one shot that creature. Not only did she have help, they had to deal several blows to it. And Sakura is far more agile and quick than Hinata. You can try and argue otherwise, but she shows nothing that proves otherwise. Sakura was trained to dodge!
Kakashi>dirt>Hinata
Also, I love how Hinata can knock back a big bee and it is just so awesome. Sakura actually knocked back a summon without, you know, getting knocked on her ass first. And then fainting later. Hinata being slapped to the ground was the turning point in the arc? Sakura beating Sasori created the next arc. You say baseless things about Sakura without really backing them up. And yes, it is entirely impossible to trick the byakugan.
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"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
No. It really, really isn't. Its about as much a feat as Sasuke hitting Bee when he started writing down lyrics and let him. She only got close becuase he let her.
Which is him being distracted and letting her hit him. I guess Hinata has to hope Sakura gets sick and starts coughing up blood. then she actually has a shot at hitting her.
No. How the effing hell did you get that impression you flaming wally.
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No. How the effing hell did you get that impression you flaming wally.
Prove and quantify that statement.
I also have no concept of sarcasm apparantly
No. Sakura took one of these (at 2.10) right to the face- Clickity
Only if Sasori was as weak as her brother Kankuro.
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Firstly, at the beginning of that fight, Sakura said that she wasn't good enough to dodge it well. Since you love that fight so much and probably know it off by heart, you should know it so I am not going to bother to post the panel. Chiyo used Sakura as a puppet to dodge. And right nom you;ll refer to the puppets vs puppets fight? How Sakura fought Sasori's puppets, dodged their every move? Well, actually it only showed her smash one puppet...
anyway, Hinata uses the gentle fist... you can't block that either! so neji knows all about parrying - unless he's done what i suggested MIGHT be a possibility, above.
Sakura couldn't hope to defend against Hinata's attacks... nor evade them. the Byakugan adds a lot of percision in attacks. but greater than that is the fact that Sakura DOES NOT HANDLE NOR FOLLOW SPEEDY FIGHTERS AND ATTACKS WELL. there's various proof of this... but even from part one she couldn't follow lee's movements at all (even before neji was using the byakugan and looking unimpressed lol). She couldn't follow sasuke's shushin from part one at all. nor in part two (she's the ONLY one from team 7 who's oh so shocked by sasuke's speed - sai's not surprised at all, yamato sees it the whole way, even though he acknowledges that sasuke is fast). she doesn't handle speed well.
Post time skip Hinata has taijutsu speed over her like crazy. lol. Which is what the Gentle Fist naturally is, it's your all in one swiss army knife. Hinata's Shugohakke Rokujyon Sh can manipulate the amount of control she has over them, her natural flexibility, and her ability to manipulate their size and strength, Hinata can use this technique to attack and defend simultaneously. She is also able to strike with enough force to create a small crater from a jumping strike. Her taijutsu is stronger than her other attributes for a reason, this jutsu increases her attack speed at a whim and she can manipulate the size and shape of her Shield by the sheer speed of her arms and Gentle Fist training.
Hinata is kinda like Sasuke, she was testing her own created jutsu to see how effective it is and what it does, even if it hurts her. It's called trial and error.
so she wouldn't be simply dodging Hinata's attacks.... she'd have to block, and even if she manages to put up a gaurd, it'll be the beginning of the end.
She did one shot the Chimera, not that it matters if she had help her and Neji was the only people who could kill it in a blow. And yeah the chimera was stronger than the summon Sakura destroyed. It compied Keekei Genkai for crying out loud. Your overrating Sakura performance against Sasori. Sasori didn't even move a lot, he was a long range fighter, remember? Plus he was focusing on the old lady not the Sakura more. Sasori was holding back against Sakura not Chiyo. He used puppets, and ninjutsu. she doesn't exactly battled sasori one-one-one with taijutsu. Hinata is a taijutsu specialist and even her basic knowledge on taijutsu movements with her base taijutsu speed is enough to seal her tenketsu points before sakura can even concentrate chakra to her hands.
Well first of all, Sakura got knocked back by a flying ass and then saved. LOL. Secondly, Sakura's was punching a slow and mobile Centipede no bigger than the thing Sasuke owned with the bear. The Bee could own the Centipede due to having a gale ability that was on par blowing trees away. Sakura did not beat Sasori, he killed himself due to Chiyo's actions. Sakura was her puppet and thats it. I swear, when she beats a opponents on her own terms, then you'll have something. Last I checked, Sakura was getting pwned most of the fight, and only Chiyo was the thing that kept her alive all the while Sasori was focusing on his grandmother and disregurding Sakura come the 100 puppet battle.
Although Sakura was doing pretty handy by herself, she would have eventually got owned by Sasori had it not been for at least minor assistance from Chiyo.
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