No....the anime is misleading. Deva Path vs Naruto is proof enough of that. And filler is just pointless. Nothing gets accomplished that affects the main story.
Though the filler episode where they try to see what's under Kakashi's mask is the best episode of the anime ever.
I say the games are better than the anime. Guess we should use the games then eh?
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I'm back, and lol I like how you single out Hinata not standing a chance aginst Hiruko when Sakura needed to be controled in order for her to beat it. So by that logic, Hinata can be controled to slice up the puppet.
Hinata has the Byakugan, and quite frankly Sakura has never demonstrated anything that would allow her to penetrate Hinata's defenses to land a blow.
Hinata's byukuga grants the abilites to see all around her surroundings and locate and pinpoint chakra signatures that are even the faintest, she's granted professional gentle fist taijutsu training which makes her a already better close quarters combat fighter than Sakura. Her shield can repel anything which a chakra system and increase the effect of her attack by raising her chakra levels. lol Sakura.
Hinata outclasses her easily in Taijutsu. Her strength means nothing when Hinata can just use Juho Sosiken or Shukohakke. She can use his Jyukken taps and touches to keep her at bay, and then 64 palms to end it.
Hinata is just faster in taijutsu strikes, more skilled in CQC, more agile and has better dodging and reaction feats.
Sakura is smart but she's not as sharp as a pure martial artist and more adept to taijutsu or it's pratice, she's just brawler and a medical ninja, which doesn't account her deducing skills against Sasori who was merely a ninjutsu user and a puppeter who by the graces of Chiyo baa sama gave her all the information and basis of Sasori's skills and abilites. How much does Sakura do well without a large amount of information to grant her access to strategies? How much does she know about Hinata?
Problem is, this time she won`t have a far more experienced character calling the shots.
Hinata however is going see Sakura's moves and react according to her superior style.
Alot of people say Sakura wins, but they don't back up clear evidence I presented to them.
Sakura doesn't have an awnser to her defensive jutsu or her gentle fist. And it's not like Sakura is faster, her moves have been counters by freakin fodder in shippuden all the time.
Oh of course. How dare I state my opinions. How dare I have a mind of my own.
Yeah I need to go away because I stated my opinion.
(BTW yes, that is sarcasm. I dislike it but I'm willing to make exceptions).
And as I've said before "filler" is good. It provides more variety and enrichment (and while some stories are bad, others are AWESOME!). Why bother with the manga when the anime gives you everything it does and more?
I believe he said if Sakura was replaced by Hinata, she wouldn't have scratched him. Which is true. Chiyo used Sakura because she has massive strength. Hinata lacks that and would force Chiyo to use a better puppet earlier on in the fight.
Hinata's 1 defense move requires her to wave her arms around for about 10 seconds, meaning not only does she have to stay at a distance, she has to ensure Sakura won't attempt to attack her before she's ready. It's only worth a damn if used at long range, which is the only way she's going to have a shot at fighting Sakura.
She cannot use her defensive move at too close a range. She does not have the time or speed to pull it off before Sakura punches her in the Byakugan, turning her all seeing white eye into a very very black eye. If she wants to use her defensive move, she has to stay at range, contrary to her nature as a taijutsu specialist to stay at close range. Sakura is faster than her, so close range would be a disadvantage for Hinata. I know what the Byakugan can do.
The argument?
She is not fast enough. Repeat: Not. Fast. Enough. Sakura dodged around 7 or more puppets on her own skills and that makes it unlikely that Hinata will hit her. Sakura knows what the Hyuuga can do. She was told in Part 1. She knows getting hit by Gentle Fist will probably hurt, so she'll dodge it. Which is what she was trained to do. You have not provided any REASON for me to believe otherwise. PROVE that she can't dodge Hinata and PROVE that she won't just break her ****ing jaw.
Why? Faster I can see in terms of striking, but that does not mean Sakura can't dodge her with ease. More skilled in CQC? Well I guess she doesn't need her defensive move. Except she will when Sakura breaks every bone in her body with a finger. Better dodging feats, which you base entirely on one fight with a rubber guy, who in the end injured Hinata if Narutopedia is correct. Sakura has dodged Kage level ninja attacks, which is laughably better than anything Hinata has done.
She shows that she was observing Sasori's fingers, which is how she was dodging his attacks. Hinata's laser move, if Shino's description is accurate, is actually two long chakra threads stretching from her palms to hit targets. Because she is fast, it looks as though she is firing lasers. After getting cut a few times, which she'll heal up with her medical techniques, Sakura would get the dynamics of it. Which is easier to keep track of: 10 small fingers, or 2 hands? She wouldn't be too concerned with that technique afterward, and she would focus on dodging the palms.
She won't need to have one. She was dodging Sasori's puppets on her own. Sasori>Hinata.
As the Sasuke and Lee fought proved, it doesn't matter if you can see it if you can't react fast enough. Which, since Sakura is faster, she cannot. lol at her superior style that won't do any good against a superior opponent.
Sakura will win because I say so. I'm providing the same level of evidence as you now.
Dodge the gentle fist, punch to the face. Nice enough answer to that. lol at the fodder comment, when Hinata gets injured by an opponent who likes to toy with the people he fights. As far as her defense is concerned, since it takes about 10 seconds to make said wall of chakra, Sakura likely gets hit by it the first time and realizes how it works. Explosive kunai to the chakra wall, Hinata is distracted, Sakura punches Hinata's boobies and makes her almost as flat as herself.
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Chiyo used Sakura because she didn't have enough skill to dodge half of Sasori's puppets by herself or his poisened attack, but with Chiyo control her, she has the abilites to fight on even grounds with Sasori. It's the same with Hinata, if she was controled by CHiyo, she'd clear out a majority of puppets with her chakra needles which have enough power to solo boss summons and Juho Sosiken which like all jyukken cut chakra based substances and obects in half and split it.
More like, when Sakura moves she will keep an eye on her movements with her byukugan eye and read her muscle cordination with her byukugan pinpointing what she does next and how she does it. Then focus her chakra, release it and turn Sakura's offensive attacks(which is just a ball of chakra stored into her fist and arm and a big release) against her with the right precise chakra needles she produces while in this position? It's like making a shield only more precise. Long Range? Sakura doesn't have long range attacks. Only chance of Sakura fighting Hinata is a close quaters where she is screwed.
She has the speed, in her taijutsu. Her gentle fist style enhances her movements in speed or evasion by giving her chakra a boost in the chakra she's channeling with her fists and her whole body. Byukugan users can even use chakra to shield a attack that is composed of chakra without lifting a finger. So really, Sakura an try all she wants but She's not going to strike Hinata with just remedial speed and strength because her chakra isn't as empowered through the body as a Hyuugas. If Hinata is smart and she is, she'll make Sakura dance by using Eight Trigrams Thirty-Two Palms and getting Sakura to retreat back making her able to use Shugohakke Rokujûyon Shô with Sakura in her range. And like I said, speed doesn't matter when you whole body is a chakra weapon and a concentrated realease of taijutsu based attacks on the highest level, Sakura's basic taijutsu is so simple and underdeveloped, Hinata can just dodge her attacks by just passing chakra through her arms with ease with a palm attack. Or she could just connect Sakura by striking one of her tenketsus by instinct of Sakura's punch.
LOL Sakura
Anyone can dodge a basic attack even if they are faster. It's been proven, all you got to know is how to read and react to it. Ironically this is what Sakura did against Sasori's puppets. Hinata dodged Neji's attacks before she was defeated and landed a hit first to Neji while he didn't react, she dodged a elastic ninja, she surprised Deva Pain with her strike to the chin with her own speed and timing. Your overestmating Sakura's speed, she's fast as medic ninajs go but her speed isn't as impressive as say Sasuke's or Neji's. No she doesn't. She doesn't know Hinata's moveset or her style of gentle fist. She should know that when fighting Hyuugas, you need to be avoid their chakra strikes to any place on the body, Hinata is different from Neji though, her attacks are based on defense and cordination. Her body is basically reflector of direct attacks. Which Sakura will not know about. Um because she can see it coming and spam tenkensu strikes to the arms, really telling me she won't react to a punch thats as fast as any other attack ninja's like the Hyuuga dodge on a daily basis and is a natural advantage for a trains Hyuuga you don't like Hinata. I already posted gifts of showing her dodging a ninja that Sakura so called agilty couldn't catch despite her showing with Sasori.
Hinata doesn't even need to hit her, the chakra will do the work for her around her jyuuken fists and strike Sakura in the arms or legs. Sakura can't hit shit when her tekesu is already closed up. How will she brake her bones when her body can already be any nullfifier of chakra based attacks. Well she dodged the majority of his close ranged attacks and only hurt Hinata with posien meaning he lost the taijutsu bout, last I checked Sakura was scratched by puppets plenty of times and even said she wasn't fast enough to dode all of them. She dodged Kage Level attacks with Kage level help and prep. A ninja like Konoharmaru can do that.
Which any ninja can do with enough intell. Hell they teach movement reading in the academy. A Hyuuga like Hinata should know that in her sleep, the water guy had more nimble and unreadable evasion style and Hinata kept up and dodged his attacks with ease. It's the movement of her arms which move faster and faster when Hinata applies her chakra and the strikes of the needles she fires.After focusing chakra outside the body, the chakra is formed into needles and propelled at the user's target. By using Byakugan, this technique can be used to hit very small targets, such as bees. She doesn't have the skill to dodge Sasori's entire puppet army. Which is why she had to go and dodge puppets that Sasori didn't have the abilty to focus his skill on when fighting Chiyo as well.
Really, Hinata can do the same think Sakura did with as much help Sakura had. She's a scouter man.
And Ten Ten said speed is useless against the Byukugan. Since the entire body composes of chakra nullifiers and great resistance to chakra based attacks based taijutsu. Sakura needs chakra to use taijutsu, Sakura needs chakra to be fast and evasive(okay maybe not but it won't matter since Hinata's enhanced abilites close those gaps). She's not beating Hinata in chakra taijutsu. Which is why Lee will never beat Neji. And thats why you lose.
Puts chakra in the punch(with a tap), kills her chakra control, jyuukens to the heart. At least she doesn't get saved. Not really, Hinata set up Juho Sosiken in less time than that and all she did was form the lion heads, I assume her prep time for Shugohakke Rokujûyon Shô is less than that. Huh, kunai explosives won't work on refined chakra defense, a Hyuuga defense is stronger than Gaara's sand. You'd need a collosal jutsu like ransangan to take it down. Hinata won't fall for smoke screens or kiwimari, Byukugans can see through them with xray abilites the byukugan grants them.
Yeah, Sakura punches and misses like always leaving Hinata to Juho Sosiken her ass on the floor with all her tekensu closed. Sakura then looks like the equivilant of a vegetable.
I'm actually wondering whether I want to continue this thread. The other one was about pairings and shit and it went on way longer than it ever needed to, which was mostly my fault to be honest. And while this one is an actual fight, it will always be a reminder of the other thread. So, even though a fight thread is a bit more interesting, I think I'll call it quits here as well. That particular bit of fan art itself was what sealed the deal to be honest. /thread.
1. saying the anime is better is like saying a copy of the mona lisa by another artist, is better than the original just because it has extra stuff in the background.
2. sakura rapes this. hinata is just too weak. intelligence wise sakura was the 2nd smartest of the rookie 9, she has been shown to make plans that work. out of all the kunochi sakura has the best control of her chakra, that is why tsunade chose her to train under her. there is no way in peins hell that hinata would win
1. Agreed...unless someone put Clucky in it(Naruto Abridged). Then it would be better than the original.
2. Sakura by NO means rapes! She may one-shot and possibly blitz Hinata(doubt it) but Sakura lacks the character development to rape anybody! Tsunade is just as much as fail as she is in the ninja category;which is probably why she picked her.
Whoever gets the first blow in this match wins. Sakura is more likely to win because she's more likely to get that first blow and its more likely her blow with one-shot her opponent then Hinata's blow it she hit first: based on feats. That's IT! NO rape has taken place here!
I don't like Tsunade. I don't know if its her lack of flashy moves or the fact that her chakra boobs and transformation are contrary to her personality: Seriously you can't say those are real.
My comment was overall poor humor based on this thread: I know how capable and potent Tsunade is: my bad!
[QUOTE=12848950]Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]Just not a very good one.
No, she hit him when he had a spaz attack and it barely fazed him.
Absolutely incorrect. If it had been Sakura or Tsunade they would have at least broke his jaw or blasted him back. Why the hell was she even attacking his head. She specialises in blocking chakra points. Ergo she's thick.
And yet when I compared the two scenes (thanks for posting those gifs btw), Sakuras movements where much more complex and impresive, even by my untrained eye.
Except Sakura actually beat Sasori.
Stationary?
Okay, first of all, no, they wouldn't have. They would of had an equally hard time. Second of all, Hinata, of anybody, is not thick, if she's thick, what's Sakura? Those dodging movements WEREN'T Sakura's. She was being controlled by Chiyo (R.I.P.)! If it wasn't for Chiyo, Sakura wouldn't be alive. And lastly, Pain is the Akautski leader. Sasori is... like, his follower or grunt. Once again, Pain is the Akautsuki LEADER (not counting Madara)!!!
Do you hane an issue with Hinata? Let me guess, your a NaruSaku fan? Hinata is the only thing standing in between it? NaruHina's more popular, and Kishimoto's inspiration was DBZ, Notice the sames between Hinata and ChiChi?
Let me tell you my issues with Sakura.
Hinata is less obsessed with Naruto than Sakura with Sasuke. You din't see Hinata with <3s in her eyes!
Naruto loves Sakura. She couldn't care less!
I have more, but plainly, Sakura is a *****.
No, they're strength is enough that they'd have at least of hurt him, like, y'know, the very opposite of what Hinata did.
Specifically stated to be incredibly smart as well as demonstrated that fact?
Only for some of the fight.
Beating a grunt is still better than being pwned by the Big Bad.
No, I'm a Naru9tails fan. Becuase I have strange fetishes.
No. Partially becuase I've never watched DBZ, but mostly to spite you.
Yes, damn her for not immediately dropping her lifelong love to rush into the main characters arms! Damn her for being a fictional character who its wierd and creepy to hate! DAMN HER!!!!!!
edit: Wait, who are you again? Can I smell socks?
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Not really, Hinata set up Juho Sosiken in less time than that and all she did was form the lion heads, I assume her prep time for Shugohakke Rokujûyon Shô is less than that. Huh, kunai explosives won't work on refined chakra defense, a Hyuuga defense is stronger than Gaara's sand. You'd need a collosal jutsu like ransangan to take it down. Hinata won't fall for smoke screens or kiwimari, Byukugans can see through them with xray abilites the byukugan grants them.
Ergo she's thick.
