No, but if Roman brutal conquest overshadows the fact that you're using their letters to express that, or ideas of Republic, Law and Order...then well, it's strange.
well, their contribution to language is overshadowed by the arabs, indians, greeks and british, probably the germans too...
Their ideas of law weren't even progressive for their time...
and I'd argue that, aside from just warfare, combat and bloodlust existed in even the most mundane activities in Rome. Whether this is specific to them or represents a time when life (human and otherwise) was less sacrosanct is debateable...
what a ****ed up situation...
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That and it's obvious now it was nothing more than a publicity stunt.
Apparently, he's claimed that he spoke with the "9/11 Mosque" developer and they've agreed that the building wouldn't commence in return that the 50-person church not burn Qur'ans. A complete lie, not talks were had to begin with.
It's have been nice if they'd just let him burn it and not given him any attention. The fact that Obama has got involved is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Media sensationalism wins again, while it seems that everyone else loses.
so now items of a culture include things that don't exist? There are no televised executions in America. That would be like saying the desire for wealth and food in Ethopia indicate that their society has an abundance of those things...
less glib, I think you are taking my point a little too literally. There is always going to be war and violence in all societies, and by no means are the Romans the most violent that human civilization has ever seen.
And, while Rome did have many periods with different laws, the brutality of the police, the acceptance of violence as a form of penance or retribution, violence, not just in terms of the Collesium and killing criminals, but the mentally/physically handicapped, pitting exotic animals against eachother, building structures which can host mock naval battles, hell, even the circus maximus, all of these things show an inherent acceptance of violence in society.
That these "games" were used to appease other, more direct social complaints of the lower classes, also speaks volumes. People were willing to give up complaints of lack of food because they were given murder as entertainment. Or because the roman legionaires would butcher them and their loved ones. I think both options lend some weight to my point.
it wouldn't be foolish i'd be effective. and think about the consequences? this is war. islamofascists certainly didn't think about the consequences when they knock our 2 front teeth out in full view.
desperate times call for desperate measures. and yes, remember pearl harbor. a cowardly sneak attack led to a couple a nukes in a couple of cities in a couple of days followed by a swift japanese surrender.
like i wrote all's fair in love and war. muslim fanatics thinks so. nothings too emotional or too consequential. anything goes. no matter the scale.
would you wanna pick a fist fight with the biggest, toughest, and strongest 8th grader in middle school as a scrawny 6th grader? maybe maybe not, point is you shouldn't cause you'll get your ass kicked. but the u.s. is that 8th grader that'd get sucker punched in the face by that scrawny 6th grader in front of eveyone, not do anything cause it might offend others while watching the kid verbalyl bash him and threaten him everyday.
forget turning the other cheek. they don't do it to u.s.
the effects of 9/11 are still affecting this country hard almost ten years later and we should still be nice, and tolerant of abuse by muslims, and not be offensive.? forget that. this is war.
"don't burn our koran or there'll be consequenses for you americans in the form of death and destruction but we want to build a mosque near ground zero and we don't want you to say anything about it."
lol. please.
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Yep, aparently he´s binned the plan, some waffle about him and some Imam comming to some agreement about the location of that Mosque in New York. Which also seems now not to be the case, as the Imam has denied this.
He knows he's being lied to really, I wouldn't be surprised if he carried on with it. This is precisely what DOESN'T need to happen at this time in the world.
Ah, religion, so peaceful isn't it?
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But their lasting influnce is the direct product of military conquest and, more importantly, the cultural subjugation of the peoples they conquered through the supression of their native cultures and compulsory adherence to roman customs and language.
Probably be hard pressed to find a civilization that benefited mankind as a whole that didn't conquer and subjugate others.
The Romans didn't really invent much themselves, what they did was improve on known technologies which they came into through conquest. This conquest also spread knowledge and connected cultures; that aspect is a positive.
They don't: why do you think that some most of the Mormons confirmed to be involved were excommunicated and Lee was executed?
If I asked if I can go on a killing spree, I'm then turned down 2 days later, but I went on the killing spree, right now, then I'm excommunicated, THEN executed by Mormons (lawfully), this some how makes my actions condoned by my church?
Anyway, more on topic: the guy might change his mind on the book burning a 3rd or 4th time.
Well, what you look at as benefitial to mankind as a whole is pretty subjective, alhough I would agree the interexchange between cultures conducted under roman rule had positive angles to it. But, yes, most largelly influential cultures spread their infuence through conquest.
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