I believe you are right. I don't remember what the top Gs were...but I do remember at least 400 being shown in the manga. That would make a 120lbs Vegeta weigh 27 tons. If you tried to fart at that gravity, you'd shit your intestines out which makes the whole gravity training thing a bit stupid. But, hey, it's FUN!
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Re: Proof that Dbz are class 100 in strength
There is a simpler bit of proof that your missing, I will take your word for what they are capable of in dragonball but everyone will agree that goku is at least capable of lifting 1 to 10 tons at the begining of dragonball z then everyone knows about his training in 10 times and 100 times earths gravity which would put his physical strength up to 100 to 1000 tons anyway. Plus there is all the training and super saiyan transformations after, and each super saiyan transformation increases his power by at least 100 fold which again would put goku's physical strength up to 100,000,000,000 to 1000,000,000,000 tons at the end of dragon ball gt. And I know what some of you are thinking 100 fold power increase for each super saiyan transformation, ridiculous, but you guys are forgetting 20 times to 50 times kaioken got goku nowhere against frieza during their battle so the super saiyan transformation must have at least increased his power by 100 fold.
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your facts as you call them make no sense, can you even back them up with evidence because i can support my points with references to the series. First of all when goku was fighting evenly with frieza he said he was only fighting at 1% of his maximum, then he turned it up to 50% and goku was nothing to him not even his 20 to 50 times kaioken made a difference, then goku went super saiyan and then frieza was nothing compared to goku, such a radical power increase can only have been a hundred fold, and they were fighting evenly again when frieza went 100%. And why would the other super saiyan transformations be any different, i mean if going super saiyan 2 only doubled gohan's power then he would not have been able to defeat cell, i mean cell was already stronger than goku when he wasnt even at full power, so did gohan at super saiyan 2 treat cell's full power like it was nothing if gohan's power was only doubled. And of course their physical strength increases by the same amount as their power level other wise their physical attacks wouldnt get them anywhere because they wouldnt hurt their enemy they would have to rely on energy waves.
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First of all there is no Kaio-ken x50 as he's never gone past x20.
Second, take a look at this. Officially stated Power Levels. And as you can see normal Goku is at 3million with Super Saiyen being 150million, 50 times the PL as Whiteclipse said.
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SSJ2 = 超人の2倍の強さ / Twice the strength of Super Saiyan
SSJ3 = 超サイヤ人2の4倍の強さ / Four times the strength of Super Saiyan 2
Fourth, yes they increase their overall stats usually but their strength and speed isnt in a direct relation to their PL. For example Guldo had the same PL as Gohan but was nowhere near his speed, the same with Goku being better then Ginyu even though his PL was lower. Its not that direct.
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You poor sap, you actually pay attention to the power levels on those sites, i hate to break it to you but most of those are fan made or just the opinion of the site makers. Sure a fair few of them are genuine but only the ones that are stated in the actual series, even in the sagas and the cooler movie not everyone's power levels are stated so the non stated power levels that you've seen on those sites are just made up. Plus saying this proves my point that the power level increases affect their physical attributes by the same degree, because now we know that the reason krillin and gohan were faster was because they most likely had much higher power levels, why do you think guldo spent most of the fight desperately trying to avoid their attacks.
The only exception to the PL rule IS the Ginyu Force and that was due to them being alien and physically different than almost everyone in the universe. That was one of the main reason Frieza chose them...it was their unique abilities.
Guildo was capable of stopping time. Ginyu was capable of body snatching. Burta body was equipped for unbelievable speed, Recoome, indestructible body, etc, etc. Its nigh crazy to use the Ginyu Force as any type of argument during a debate when each of them had different abilities.
As for PL versus speed and strength...its pretty much common sense that the higher the power level the stronger and faster you are and there isn't one scene besides the Ginyu Force contradicting this.
Nice scans by the way.
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PL10 Goku >>> PL5 Human and PL137 Chi-Chi.
Far above a normal human but only 5 points higher, but his strength, durability and speed at this level is still above Chi-Chi's.
PL137 Chi-Chi <<< PL100 Oozaru Goku, PL120 Shen and PL139 Roshi.
She should be physically on the level of Master Roshi but is far from it.
PL18,000 Vegeta = PL16,000 Goku
"It can't be...!! - H-He surpassed m-my power...!" ~Vegeta after a gut-punch from Kaio-Kenx2 Goku.
PL530,000 Frieze >= PL250,000 Vegeta
Even with a PL over twice that of Vegeta, Vegeta was still able to stalemate Frieza's attack.
PL60,000,000 Frieza > PL60,000,000 Goku
Self explanatory.
CellSS1Gohan > Cell << CellSS2Gohan
Cell = Dabura
BuuSS1Gohan =< Dabura < BuuSS2Gohan
CellGohan < BuuGohan
BuuGohan is slightly below CellGohan yet his SS1Buusaga self does better against a Cell/Dabura PL foe than his SS1Cellsaga self could. This means that even though Cell and Dabura have the same PL, Dabura is physically inferior to Cell.
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When did we get to see Chi Chi full PL? Roshi always claimed Chi Chi as one of the most powerful beings outside of the Z fighters.
I don't know why you think Goku PL at 10 is greater than Chi Chi. Chi Chi also have impressive durability. She was hit through a house, through a tree into a boulder and was still concious. This happened during the time Goku came back from his training and tapped her on the back.
The rest of your post is incorrect. Power level made a complete difference in strength and durability.
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