Snape wins. No way in hell Sidious draws his saber, ignites it and throws it befoe Snape apparates. Hell, even in your dream world scenario, Snape'll still be gone before the saber hits him.
Snape casts Oppugno on the saber and turns it on Sidious!!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEHEEHEEEHEEHEEHEE!!!!!!
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Apparition is instant. When the ball drops, when they can attack each other, Snape apparates. Instantly. Right away. To wherever he chooses.
How does Sidious counter this, even if he knows it's going to happen?
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1. Sidious never showed that capability. We've already covered this.
If Sith had that capability, they would have used it. You're taking a screen feat and amping it 100x with nothing to back it with. "They can do it just cuz I say they can."
2. It won't be instant. It would take at least a half second to take hold and another half second to execute. Not instant.
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2.46. See the ease with which he ripped that pod out of its holdings, and how quick it was? That'll be Snapes neck. One, quick twist. Hell, earlier in the scene he does the same thing with about three pods at the same time, while lifting the one he's standing on. So I'm not talking out of my ass here.
Also, he ripped nothing from it's holdings. Those pods are made to float away from their dockings.
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You just said it. They were SURPRISE attacks. One can even argue that some (Mundi and Secura) did sense something, but were unable to do anything about it because they were outnumbered and gunned down by blasters, which travel much faster that any HP magic.
Besides, Mace mentioned that their ability to use the force has been diminished. Yoda even said that it was hard to view the future because of the dark side clouding everything. But even that did not stop Yoda from sensing he was about to be attacked by clones
You can't be series with this arguement, can you?
Well if wizards can apparate anytime they want instantly, then why do they get killed by killing curses or even get hit with magic at all? Why was Bellatrix running from Harry Potter and then struck to the floor after she killed Sirius?
Please do not compare a lightsaber duel with shooting magic through a wand. There is, like you said, a sheer number of possible moves in a lightsaber duel. There is only one way to shoot magic out.
With... precog
If they reappear behind a force user, a force user would sense their presence and can react faster than a wizard can attack, especially a force user who is greatly attuned with the force like Sidious.
He doesn't need to cut his head off. He can rip it off with TK. If Sidious can rip vehicle-sized senate pods from durasteel retraints instantly, he can do the same to Snape's head with far greater ease. How will Snape know to apparate if he has no clue what Sidious is about to do? Sidious can crush Snape's wind pipe with a mere thought.
If Snape appears behind Sidious, Sidious would sense it and use TK on him before Snape can hit him with any type of magic, since TK attacks are far faster than any HP magic attack.
It does in the movies. See Neph's post.
Not before Sidious crushes his wind pipe with a mere thought.
Sidious wouldn't need his saber though.
All Sidious needs to know is where Snape is at and crush him. Vader choked admiral Ozzi to death, and there was a lot more than a brick wall that was separating them.
For all of Snapes powers and abilities, he has no defense against TK, and this is where he goes down at. As long as Snape is in Sidious' presence he will be crushed instantly.
Sidious can dodge a klling curse through speed.
The movie does not show how a portkey is created, does it? Or do the books tell us?
I agree with all this. A wizard from HP has far more powers and abilities than any force user can hope for. I just can not see how any wizard can escape a TK attack from a powerful force user.
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Not only is Snape dead, but Palpatine is probably amusing himself right now by re-enacting the cooler scene in Cool Hand Luke using Snapes head as the ball.
Or simply force twirling it into walls, smashing it until nothing remains of the face all while doing a humourous high pitched mickey mouse voice saying "Oooooh My names Snape! And I like hitting walls with my face"
*BANG!*
"Ohhhh I really enjoyed that...I think I'll do that again..."
*BANG!!!*
"Heeeeeehhheeeeeeheehehehe I love headbutting walls 'cause Im a dead, dumb wizard."
*SMACK!!!*
Hours of fun when you're with the darkside.
It beats rubber bands and paperclips round the office all day long, I guess.
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Oh cool.
His opponent just magically disappearing wouldn't surprise Sidious then? He wouldn't be surprised by the same guy reappearing wherever he wants to start throwing deadly curses at him? Are we, by chance, talking about the same guy who can't predict a freaking force push coming from the Jedi master lifting his hand right in front of him? I'm just asking, because, you know, it would seem less likely for him to predict things he's totally unfamiliar with than the most obvious stuff somebody could throw at him.
Assuming that Sidious can predict Snape's moves accurately, makes absolutely no sense at all.
You realize that this doesn't affect the Sith and I've listed serveral Dark Siders totally failing with prediction. What did you do? Ignore it? Right. That seems to be the case.
Wow.
Did you even spent one split second with research about the HP universe before typing this down? The Ministry of Magic is protected against Apparition, hence the Wizards working there have to use other methods of getting in (as shown in "Deathly Hallows - part 1"). Thus nobody could really apparete into the building, which is why they use "half apparition" in the movies and actually walk into the room in the book.
That aside: Just count how often they are actually hit by spells compared to not getting hit (movies and books alike).
Would you please be so kind and read my posts before replying to them? That would be awesome, because you could actually grace us with an answer that makes sense. I was talking about apparition. The sheer number of possible locations Snape might teleport to is virtually unlimited which kind of trumps the possible moves one can do from a lightsaber being held at position X.
Really?
Did you, by chance, read one of the books or watch the movies? Let me give you a hint. Have a look at Exhibit A:
Watch carefully at 4:18, where George and Fred appear behind Harry.
As you may see, one appears with his hand on Harry's shoulder while the other is looking exactly at Harry. I think when Snape decides to apparate to a spot behind Sidious and deathspells him, Sidious wouldn't have too much time to react to it, given with what kind of speed the spells in the HP movies actually move (see first page of this thread Snape VS Harry or below).
Welcome to the happy world of movie feats. Exhibit B:
Have a close look at 1:34 where one of the Death Eaters stops a moving train with a mere gesture. Now go and find me equal level telekinesis being demonstrated in the Star Wars movies.
After you have done so, you can come back and explain to me how crushing Snape's wind pipe will work instantly (from what I have seen in the movies, it requires some time to choke people to death when Vader tries this). Not only is Snape one of the most accomplished healers in the damn series, mending a cut-in-half Draco Malfoy within seconds, he can still perform lethal spells without incantation. And he can probably just block TK.
Really? Have we seen the same movies? Have a look at Exhibit C:
Sidious starts firing lightning at 0:35 - the lightning hits Yoda at 0:37. Almost two seconds to hit a target less than five metres away. Yoda's force push, in turn, needs three frames to hit Sidious. Just again, as a contrast, Exhibit D:
Let me check:
- Bellatrix casts a non-verbal spell. It takes four frames (4/25 seconds) and Hagrids hut explodes violently.
- Harry fires a spell. In the third frame after it is fired (3/25 seconds) it is already blocked by Snape.
- Bellatrix fires a spell at Harry, it hits him three frames later (3/25 seconds).
- Snape fires a spell that hits Harry in the very next frame (1/25 second, you can even see the wand glowing and the spell hitting Harry in one single frame).
So, actually, those spells move far faster than force lightning or a force push in the SW movies. And, just to totally disprove your little idea, have a look at Exhibit E:
Yeah. We really see Dumbledore setting the damn wardrobe on fire with a mere thought and without even looking at it. Now imagine the same happening to Sidious clothing.
It does not, which you would be aware of, if you'd ever seen "Half-Blood prince". After Slughorns party, Snape attempts to interrogate Draco, and when the latter refuses to speak, Snape suddenly mentions that he's attempt to conceal something, meaning that he was trying to use legilimency on him, but failed, because Draco used occlumency. In the book, Snape outright mentions that somebody must have taught Draco occlumency on the same occassion.
See above. Less powerful Wizard shown to stop a moving train with a gesture.
Oh, really?
Last time I checked, force choke required line of sight to the target, even if that is only archived via a video stream. And then you're quite wrong with the "no defense against TK" nonsense, as can be seen above.
Really? I think that's quite debateable, provided that the only instance of force speed shown in the movies is still slower than Harry Potter spells flying around. And even if Sidious could dodge killing curses (well...why not), could he also dodge room sized explosions (used in "Deadly Hallows"), magical chains being thrown at him (also "Deadly Hallows") or the absolutely invisible Imperius curse being cast on him (see "Goblet of Fire")? I doubt it.
Dumbledore does that in the end of "Order of the Phoenix". He simply points his spell at an object and says "Portus".
They can predict it with Ligilimency, which can be used without actually casting the spell, and they can also counter it with their own TK apparently. Not to mention that "using TK" appears to take more time than "firing spells" which kinds of put the force user into a position of disadvantage, since they need to focus on force powers, while HP Wizards have been shown to fire spells while flying around ("Deathly Hallows").
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Yes, apparition is instant. Do I need to post video evidence?
You did see the pods floating away from the walls at various intervals, right?
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So refreshing to see someone like myself (Loves SW, but acknowledges HP magic and it's awesome power.)
Well said, dude.
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Oh yeah? Look at Borbarad's post, look at my posts in all these threads, look at the VIDEO EVIDENCE we provided.
Video evidence>>>>>>>>>>Anyone's opinion.
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Sure I don't. I was watching SW before you were itching your daddy's undies, dude.
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And you hadn't learned a thing about it since then, obviously.
Also your maths are shit. I was born before SW.
Was taken to see it when it came out, (Although to be fair I dont remember that, but I remember the 1979 reshowings at my local theatre....)
So technically, thats more bullshit statements from you again.
I do believe that its possible that you saw Forbidden Planet when it first came out and you in your old age confused the titles.
No, the statement is true. I was literally watching the original release in '77.
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Jan 2nd, 2011 04:57 PM
oh MAN you're pathetic 
