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It doesn't matter how ****ing close they were *******. This is about reaction speed and attack speed. Remember? I'm trying to prove that Jedi can use their superior Force-assisted reflexes in attacking with the Force. I've shown them attacking with the force in a matter of milliseconds, ergo I win.


No force user, not ever, is shown using a force attack with the same reflexes used in saber combat. Deal with it. Force attacks and saber combat are two different things.


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. And the ****? Did he block and cast a spell at the same time? We see him block a spell earlier in the fight and it made his wand glow. Guess what, same thing happened on this time it was in-front of Harry's face. But it only happened once. If he had blocked it and then cast a spell his wand would have glown like it did earlier AND THEN we would have seen the effects of Snapes spell seperately from the block. But we don't. We hear a long, drawn out spell sound effect and then we see a single effect. Therefore its part of the same sequence. Therefor its obvious that Snape made the spell either reflect (unlikely as that would have sliced Harry instead of put him on his ass) or Snape made Harry's magical energy backfire in his face.
Nope. It doesn't work like that. The only thing that works like you are saying is a protego shield charm. Now, IF Snape used a protego in the vid, then the sectumsempra that Harry had cast would bounce right back at him and he would have been sliced to ribbons.

But that's not the case. Snape returned a spell of his own that was not sectumsempra.






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Like shit they are. Try screaming out 'SECTUMSEMPRA' and do the Force attack thing with your hand. See which takes longer. Becuase even when I scream the word as quickly as I can it still takes twice as long as the hand thing.


FF to :17. Bellatrix's non verbal spell hits Harry almost in an instant.

FF to :43....Harry casts sectumsempra. Snape, back turned to him, turns and blocks it, and sends a spell of his own in return. When the spell hits Harry, the timer is still on :43.




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You know nothing about Star Wars. Force users fight by trying to block each others precog with the Force. Thats how it works. Thats why they don't block everything with perfect timing all the time in the movies.
Never stated/implied in the movies, babe.






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Apparition's not instantaneous though. smile


Yes, it is. FF to 1:04



FF to :57



FF to :15, watch how fast Bellatrix takes off:



INSTANTANEOUS, faster than any force attack ever seen.

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Nottomention that even if they manage to apparate they will be tracked and attacked instantly as they appear. Precog. Plus the Jedi's ability to track things with the Force as shown by Anakin chasing the assassin in AotC.
Not if they are HALF apparating.

Moot point, Snape hits Sidious faster with a non verbal spell, then moves in for the kill.




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Well I'd like to see a wizard do anything when Palpatine's zapping their ass with a few thousan volts of electricity.
What I just said, above.



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No, Snape gets his ass fried with the Force or his head crushed by Palpatine. Its the only way this ends really
Nah, force lightning is not instant, apparition is. Plus Snape hits Sidious with a non verbal spell first. Cuz he's faster.

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Also, looks at how insanely 'fast' Avada Kadavra is:



Both times, at 9.06 and 2.47 it takes a good second and a half to hit targets 10 feet away. Compare it to the Clone Wars movie vid I posted with their insane dodges and I'm sure you'll agree, the killing curse has a miniscule chance of hitting.



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Fail. Both were less than a second. Avada kedavra is just the death blow, Snape has much faster spells to work with. big grin

Here's the HIGH END feat of avada kedavra, used by a wizard less powerful than Snape, FF to 1:25


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Slow.
Nah, it's as fast as any force attack we ever see in ROTS.




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Faster, but trumped by the two other examples of it being slow.
Again, just as fast as any force attack Sidious uses.




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Muuuch slower than a blaster bolt. Fail.
Cast by an a half trained 4th year. Snape's will be way faster and more powerful.




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Well then Palpatine traps his smokey ass in a Force bubble and dodges death spells all day long.
Never shown in ROTS.

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Not to mention IT ISN'T INTANGIBLE.
Already proven that it is yes

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Palpatine attacks with Force Lightning in under a second then throws Mace about a hundred feet away without moving a muscle whilst still electricuting him.
Nah, Snape casts magical spells faster.

I have proven this.

You need to accept this.


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Beginning of the fight or a couple seconds after, wizard will ride the lightning,


Sad but true. The Battery will leave them Blackened....there wil be Justice for all.


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Slow.




Faster, but trumped by the two other examples of it being slow.




Muuuch slower than a blaster bolt. Fail.




Well then Palpatine traps his smokey ass in a Force bubble and dodges death spells all day long.

Not to mention IT ISN'T INTANGIBLE.



Palpatine attacks with Force Lightning in under a second then throws Mace about a hundred feet away without moving a muscle whilst still electricuting him.


Yeaaaaaaaah, babayyy...!


(Not to mention that none of RJ's vids showed ANY force user succumbing to magic.)


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Sad but true. The Battery will leave them Blackened....there wil be Justice for all.
Not if Snape......say it with me.......apparaaaaaaaaaaaates.

Or casts a spell faster, because wizards cast spells faster than force users cast force attacks. That's not an opinion, BTW, it's fact.


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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yeaaaaaaaah, babayyy...!


(Not to mention that none of RJ's vids showed ANY force user succumbing to magic.)



Force powers work just fine on wizards, magical powers wok just fine on force users. Don't be a douche.


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Not if Snape......say it with me.......apparaaaaaaaaaaaates.

Or casts a spell faster, because wizards cast spells faster than force users cast force attacks. That's not an opinion, BTW, it's fact.


They can't apparate whilst being hit with Force Lightning. Apparition requires effort and concentration, which they won't be able to muster while sucking on half a million volts.

It really, really isn't.


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They can't apparate whilst being hit with Force Lightning. Apparition requires effort and concentration, which they won't be able to muster while sucking on half a million volts.

It really, really isn't.
Force lightning is not instant, not even close, apparition is. Never, not once, was Sidious shown tracking and using force lightning on a target who was flying around like a TIE fighter.


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Force powers work just fine on wizards, magical powers wok just fine on force users. Don't be a douche.


Im not being a douche.
Its just that we know how the science of the force works.
We know that the force users tap into the universe at a sub atomic level with help of their natural midichlorianic interfaces.
So its gonna be reliable in the confrontation.

But since you don't know how the science of the Wizard books works, you can't really predict what its effect on a force user might be....and you certainly couldn't confidently assert a HP victory on that basis.


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Force lightning is not instant, not even close, apparition is. Never, not once, was Sidious shown tracking and using force lightning on a target who was flying around like a TIE fighter.


With Precog he'd simply shoot ahead of target, knowing where the target would be every step of the way.

Like dogfighters....you dont shoot at the target, because by the time your round reaches the postion of the target, that position is vacated.
So you shoot ahead of them, at the future flight path.


And if the wizard should pussy out by running away to remote locations, Palps sees him with remote viewing, and orders an aerial bombardment of that area.


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Force lightning is not instant, not even close, apparition is. Never, not once, was Sidious shown tracking and using force lightning on a target who was flying around like a TIE fighter.


Snape's never done half-apparition either. And yet you give it to him under the claim that since his underlings can do it then so can he. Anakin can track a speeder going hundreds of miles an hour in rush-hour when he's nowhere actually near the thing with such precision that he can leap off his own speder and land on it. Just as Qui-Gon and Kenobi showed Force speed able to keep up half-apparition/apparition. Since Sidious is so much more powerful and skilled than all three of them, probably put together, that its absurb, he can, by your own logic, do just that.

QED.


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Snape's never done half-apparition either. And yet you give it to him under the claim that since his underlings can do it then so can he. Anakin can track a speeder going hundreds of miles an hour in rush-hour when he's nowhere actually near the thing with such precision that he can leap off his own speder and land on it. Just as Qui-Gon and Kenobi showed Force speed able to keep up half-apparition/apparition. Since Sidious is so much more powerful and skilled than all three of them, probably put together, that its absurb, he can, by your own logic, do just that.

QED.



See, what we have here is this: "Mace Windu cant use force push because he was never shown using it, even though weaker Jedi were shown using it." What you are doing is taking a Sidious screen feat and amping it x50. It's like saying "Swagger made a mile long shot, he can make 20 mile long shots."

Snape can surely half apparate, don't be silly.

Force lightning takes a while to kill. Wizards have one hit instant death spells. Not to mention non verbal spells. Not to mention Snape casts magical spells faster than Sidious casts force lightning.


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With Precog he'd simply shoot ahead of target, knowing where the target would be every step of the way.

Like dogfighters....you dont shoot at the target, because by the time your round reaches the postion of the target, that position is vacated.
So you shoot ahead of them, at the future flight path.


And if the wizard should pussy out by running away to remote locations, Palps sees him with remote viewing, and orders an aerial bombardment of that area.


Ahhahha no. He'll never get the force lightning off against Snape, dude. Snape is faster.


Aerial bombardment? Oh my..............Someones reaching.


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No force user, not ever, is shown using a force attack with the same reflexes used in saber combat. Deal with it. Force attacks and saber combat are two different things.


A-are you serious?

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I just posted the ****ing video's. They're right there on page 4, right at the top of the page. Your post is basically 'Nuh uh!' Guess what: that isn't good enough.



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Nope. It doesn't work like that. The only thing that works like you are saying is a protego shield charm. Now, IF Snape used a protego in the vid, then the sectumsempra that Harry had cast would bounce right back at him and he would have been sliced to ribbons.

But that's not the case. Snape returned a spell of his own that was not sectumsempra.


Guess what else: You don't decide on what's on screen. Just saying 'nuh uh, that isn't how it works'.....isn't how it works. You actually have to debate.

If there was ony one spell to counter attacks, Protego, then why does Snape's wand glow when he blocks the first attack, but not the second?

Hint: You're wrong, as usual




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FF to :17. Bellatrix's non verbal spell hits Harry almost in an instant.

FF to :43....Harry casts sectumsempra. Snape, back turned to him, turns and blocks it, and sends a spell of his own in return. When the spell hits Harry, the timer is still on :43.




yes


no

It's about half a second. Jedi can dodge faster than that.

Nooooo, Harry starts to cast Sectumsempra at the beginning of :42, by screaming out the word and immediately alerting Snape to what he's doing, Snape starts to turn right before Harry finishes (right before :43), Harry finishes right after :43, and causes harry's magic to backlash onto him right before :44.


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Never stated/implied in the movies, babe.


Its never stated or impled that Avada Kedavra attacks the soul either, but we know it does. And yes it is. In ESB, Vader reacts with surprise when Luke hits him on the arm. Since he has precog, the only way he'd be surprised is if Luke was actively blunting his precog. Mace and Yoda also say that their ability to use and see through the Force has been diminished, as a direct result of Sidious. He's clouding their vision on a galactic scale rather than a one-on-one scale however.

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Yes, it is. FF to 1:04




No, it isn't. smile

In fact, you can still see their masks after they've transformed. So either the transformation takes some time, or their still in there. I'm inclined towards the latter seeing as they still have mass enough to buffet the kids at the end of OotP, which they wouldn't have if they were complete smoke.

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FF to :57



You can still see the trainstation background as they apparate for about 2 secnds as they spin. Not instant.

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FF to :15, watch how fast Bellatrix takes off:



Fail. It takes her a complete second (literally, I mean its exact. wtf?) to transform and take off.

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INSTANTANEOUS, faster than any force attack ever seen.


No.

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Not if they are HALF apparating.


Uh, yeah. Even then lol.

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Moot point, Snape hits Sidious faster with a non verbal spell, then moves in for the kill.


Oh I like this game, let me try. Sidious hits Snape with some lightning and then moves in for the kill. See, I can do scenario's too. smile


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Nah, force lightning is not instant, apparition is.


No it isn't.

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Plus Snape hits Sidious with a non verbal spell first. Cuz he's faster.


No he isn't.

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Fail. Both were less than a second.


They really weren't. erm

Maybe you should get your eyes checked because they really, really weren't. Wait, you've remembered to take off you fanboy googles right?

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Avada kedavra is just the death blow, Snape has much faster spells to work with. big grin


Sure thing pumpkin. Whatever you say. wink

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Here's the HIGH END feat of avada kedavra, used by a wizard less powerful than Snape, FF to 1:25



Two instances > one. Thats how continuity works.

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Nah, it's as fast as any force attack we ever see in ROTS.


Nu-uh!!!!!!11

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Again, just as fast as any force attack Sidious uses.


Nu-uh!!!! x 2 Combo!

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Cast by an a half trained 4th year. Snape's will be way faster and more powerful.


Spells don' get faster the more powerful a wizard who casts them. Prove that shit.

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Never shown in ROTS.


He holds the Senate pod. He can hold Snape, being lighter with less effort and distribution of wieght.

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Already proven that it is yes


No you Really. Really. Really havn't. I've shown you video proof that it isn't intangible. You just went 'Nooooo!' and carried on claiming it was.

LOOK. AGAIN.




At :38 you can actually see Ginny get buffeted around and struggle to maintain balance. You can actually see her flail her arms around for balance. If they really are intangible then she's just decided to do a little happy dance for no reason. Do you really think she decided to do a little happy dance in the middle of an attack for no reason?

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Nah, Snape casts magical spells faster.

I have proven this.

You need to accept this. [/B]


No he doesn't.

No you havn't.

You need to accept that.


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Ahhahha no. He'll never get the force lightning off against Snape, dude. Snape is faster.


Aerial bombardment? Oh my..............Someones reaching.


Did you miss the second paragraph...? Yup, judging by this post, I think ya did.


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See, what we have here is this: "Mace Windu cant use force push because he was never shown using it, even though weaker Jedi were shown using it." What you are doing is taking a Sidious screen feat and amping it x50. It's like saying "Swagger made a mile long shot, he can make 20 mile long shots."


OMG, the utter hypocracy. Jus....just ****.

You're done now. Go away.



(btw I'm not even a little multiplying the feat. Its well within reason that he can do it. Its the exact same case. If you don't decide to count your losses like any sensible person would in your position, kindly explain how what I'm saying (Sidious will be able to track a half-apparating wizard with the force, as well as utilise force speed) is even a little illogical)


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Ahhahha no. He'll never get the force lightning off against Snape, dude. Snape is faster.


Aerial bombardment? Oh my..............Someones reaching.


He was speaking metaphorically dolt.


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Did you miss the second paragraph...? Yup, judging by this post, I think ya did.
Nah, I read it, it didn't deserve a response. Sidious hits mofo's right in front of him, while standing still, that is the extent of his powers. He's not some sniper with it.

Besides, while he is trying and failing to track them, they hit him with a death spell.


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