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"It didnt deserve a response."

LOL

How convenient. (as it spelt utter disaster for ol' Snapey.)


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Originally posted by Nephthys
A-are you serious?

no expression

I just posted the ****ing video's. They're right there on page 4, right at the top of the page. Your post is basically 'Nuh uh!' Guess what: that isn't good enough.
I already buried you on this, read my response on it.





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Guess what else: You don't decide on what's on screen. Just saying 'nuh uh, that isn't how it works'.....isn't how it works. You actually have to debate.


If there was ony one spell to counter attacks, Protego, then why does Snape's wand glow when he blocks the first attack, but not the second?

Hint: You're wrong, as usual[/b][/quote] There is more than one way to counter a spell. Protego is one of them. A simple block absorbs ones spells. A protego?

Protego (Shield Charm)

Pronunciation: /proʊˈteɪɡoʊ/ proh-TAY-goh
Description: The Shield Charm[20] causes minor to strong jinxes, curses, and hexes to rebound upon the attacker, or at least prevents them from having their full effect. It can also cause a shield to erupt from the caster's wand.[/b][/quote]

The second spell cast by Harry, Snape used protego, non verbally, to block Harry's spells. Protego does not always cause the curse to rebound on the caster.

Also, Snape did not rebound Harry's sectumsempra. If he had, Harry would have been sliced to ribbons.








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no

It's about half a second. Jedi can dodge faster than that.

Nooooo, Harry starts to cast Sectumsempra at the beginning of :42, by screaming out the word and immediately alerting Snape to what he's doing, Snape starts to turn right before Harry finishes (right before :43), Harry finishes right after :43, and causes harry's magic to backlash onto him right before :44.
All that matters is what happened AFTER the spell left Harry's wand. It was under a second. Standing there waving your fists in the air does not change that.




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Its never stated or impled that Avada Kedavra attacks the soul either, but we know it does. And yes it is. In ESB, Vader reacts with surprise when Luke hits him on the arm. Since he has precog, the only way he'd be surprised is if Luke was actively blunting his precog. Mace and Yoda also say that their ability to use and see through the Force has been diminished, as a direct result of Sidious. He's clouding their vision on a galactic scale rather than a one-on-one scale however.
Precog was working fine, what was effected was the Jedi ability to see the future.

See DDM's post on this, he summed it up nicely.



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No, it isn't. smile

In fact, you can still see their masks after they've transformed. So either the transformation takes some time, or their still in there. I'm inclined towards the latter seeing as they still have mass enough to buffet the kids at the end of OotP, which they wouldn't have if they were complete smoke.
I already replied to this. Read back a page or two. I'm not replying to your broken routine after thoroughly pwning your ass.



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You can still see the trainstation background as they apparate for about 2 secnds as they spin. Not instant.
One second they're there, then BAM they're gone.

Instant.



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Fail. It takes her a complete second (literally, I mean its exact. wtf?) to transform and take off.
LOL no it didn't, man. She saw Tonks flying at her, then she was gone, all in an eyeblink. Denying this won't change it.



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No.
Uh, yeah.



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Uh, yeah. Even then lol.
Uh, no, not even then.



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Oh I like this game, let me try. Sidious hits Snape with some lightning and then moves in for the kill. See, I can do scenario's too. smile
That'd work, but Snape casts spells faster. yes Denying this won't change it.




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No it isn't.
Yes, it is.



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No he isn't.
Yes, he is.



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They really weren't. erm

Maybe you should get your eyes checked because they really, really weren't. Wait, you've remembered to take off you fanboy googles right?
Actually, they were. Video evidence>>>>>>>..your opinion.



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Sure thing pumpkin. Whatever you say. wink
K, schnookums



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Two instances > one. Thats how continuity works.
High end feats, babe.



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Nu-uh!!!!!!11
Yes huh.



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Nu-uh!!!! x 2 Combo!
K. Instant regen>>>>>>>>>>>TK.



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Spells don' get faster the more powerful a wizard who casts them. Prove that shit.
The more powerful the wizard, the more powerful the spell/s. I can't believe I had to tell you that.



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He holds the Senate pod. He can hold Snape, being lighter with less effort and distribution of wieght.
Right, and meanhwile Snape spells his ass.



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No you Really. Really. Really havn't. I've shown you video proof that it isn't intangible. You just went 'Nooooo!' and carried on claiming it was.
Nah, I explained it quite vividly. Pay attention.

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LOOK. AGAIN.




At :38 you can actually see Ginny get buffeted around and struggle to maintain balance. You can actually see her flail her arms around for balance. If they really are intangible then she's just decided to do a little happy dance for no reason. Do you really think she decided to do a little happy dance in the middle of an attack for no reason?
Goes right through Nevilles head and Neville is still standing.

Puffs of smoke, shoot one with a shotgun and see what happens. Nothing.



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No he doesn't.

No you havn't.

You need to accept that.
Yeah I have, totally, this thread is mine. I have raped it like a cheerleader full of rum on prom night.


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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
"It didnt deserve a response."

LOL

How convenient. (as it spelt utter disaster for ol' Snapey.)
You got your reply big grin


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Smoke has mass.
Anything with mass can be affected with the force.

Game over. smile


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Smoke has mass.
Anything with mass can be affected with the force.

Game over. smile
Sidious hits mofo's right in front of him, while standing still, that is the extent of his powers. He's not some sniper with it.

Besides, while he is trying and failing to track them, they hit him with a death spell.


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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sidious hits mofo's right in front of him, while standing still, that is the extent of his powers. He's not some sniper with it.

Besides, while he is trying and failing to track them, they hit him with a death spell.


I do love how you take it upon yourself when to be the strictest with the 'seen on screen' and when not to be. Before this last HP film your precious Snape wasn't teleporting; yet you argued "it's a wizard power; he's a powerful wizard so he can do it"(though in not as good grammar) and you had him turned into Nightcrawler, but not now you're being Captain Stickler and trying to limit Palpatine to max. Zero objectivity, son.

LoLz, dude. LoLz.


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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sidious hits mofo's right in front of him, while standing still, that is the extent of his powers. He's not some sniper with it.

Besides, while he is trying and failing to track them, they hit him with a death spell.


He doesn't have to be. Thats his many snipers' jobs.
Same as the chief waiting in orbit with space to surface weaponry and fighters too.

(For when Global obliteration by Death Star might be to much)


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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I already buried you on this, read my response on it.


Ok.....


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Just saying, they were never shown using uber speed while casting force attacks. They moved at regular human speed, alot of the times even slower. It's not gimping, dude. I had to go out of my way with the recent vid to prove a wizard can match a Jedi in reaction time, now's the time for you to show where a Jedi uses their mad reflexes and speed while casting force spells.

You can't. The only reason you brought in "gimping" is because you're butthurt that I own this thread, tax, title and license. Notch it up alongside the Hogwarts/501st thread, the manhattan prison wizard/Jedi thread, and the death eaters attacking the temple thread. All 3 are now officially as spankings, wizards win.


Reading......

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Originally posted by Nephthys



0.48 and 1.11. Both attacks occur in a matter of milliseconds. Cry moar.


Reading......

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ahahahahaha not milliseconds, not even close. They were right in each others face. Snape? He was at least 10 feet from Harry and was faster. yes


Reading....

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Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh God. You are such a massive prick.



You can time that shit bro. From when they pull their hands back to when they unleash the attack it bare milliseconds. Remember, this is about reactions and attack speed, not the speed of the specific attacks (though in this thread Sids has lightning anyway so speed is irrelevent big grin). Snape had the little assistence of Harry screaming out his attack a second before he actually used it. So fail!


Reeeeeaaaaaaddddiiing.....

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Hmm, let's see, milliseconds to cast a force attack......Hmm....It was ONE attack, and the combatants were right in each others face.

Snape? Harry cast a spell, Snape turned, blocked, cast a spell in return and it hit Harry. The entire sequence was under a second, and from 100 feet away. When you have something that matches that, let me know. Kthxbai eek!

"Screaming out" an incantation is the same as bringing ones hand back to cast a force attack. Both are warnings. Besides, if a Jedi has battle precog, why were the victims of the force attacks in your vid caught in them? Mwahahahahaha!!!!!!!


*Sigh* Still reading.......

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It doesn't matter how ****ing close they were *******. This is about reaction speed and attack speed. Remember? I'm trying to prove that Jedi can use their superior Force-assisted reflexes in attacking with the Force. I've shown them attacking with the force in a matter of milliseconds, ergo I win.


Reading......



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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

No force user, not ever, is shown using a force attack with the same reflexes used in saber combat. I'm an idiot who forgot what the topic was becuase I have J.K. Rowlings lady spunk for a brain. Deal with it. Force attacks and saber combat are two different things.


I'm still reading.....

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Originally posted by Nephthys
A-are you serious?

no expression

I just posted the ****ing video's. They're right there on page 4, right at the top of the page. Your post is basically 'Nuh uh!' Guess what: that isn't good enough.


Done.

So what have we leaned? That you're a complete and utter moron who forgot what the **** we were talking about and focused on how far apart they were rather than ther actual point, which was that Jedi CAN attack with the Force using their hightened reflexes, as per the vieo I posted. To spell it out to you for the third ****ing time, this has nothing to do whith how far apart they were! It doesn't have anything to do with the attack itself or how long it takes to affect their opponent, but its solely about how fast the Jedi/Sith themselves can pull off the attack, by hightening their reflexes. Furthermore, not only have you been being a retard, you've been ****ing laughing in my face the entire ****ing time. Do not do it again. If you disrespect in such a manner one more ****ing time then this conversation is over and I'll be reporting you.

The rest of your 'post' will be dealt with shortly.


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There is more than one way to counter a spell. Protego is one of them. A simple block absorbs ones spells. A protego?

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Protego (Shield Charm)

Pronunciation: /proʊˈteɪɡoʊ/ proh-TAY-goh
Description: The Shield Charm[20] causes minor to strong jinxes, curses, and hexes to rebound upon the attacker, or at least prevents them from having their full effect. It can also cause a shield to erupt from the caster's wand.


The second spell cast by Harry, Snape used protego, non verbally, to block Harry's spells. Protego does not always cause the curse to rebound on the caster.

Also, Snape did not rebound Harry's sectumsempra. If he had, Harry would have been sliced to ribbons.


You have no proof for any of this. Its just you rambling on and generally being fairly dense. What the hell is 'a simple block'? Is Snape a Street Fighter character now? Maybe Harry should try using a downwards A+Sectumsempra combo next time. Or maybe just try button mashing.

'Snape used Protego'

You have absolutely no proof for this. But going by what you yourself posted, you're wrong again. Harry's spell niether rebounds, nor does a shield 'erupt from [snapes] wand.' There is nothing to suggest Protego whatsoever.

In short: You have no idea what happened.


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All that matters is what happened AFTER the spell left Harry's wand. It was under a second. Standing there waving your fists in the air does not change that.


I'm not waving my fist in the air, I'm trying to keep up with your pisspoor attempts at logic. And it does matter what happened before the spell left Harry's wand because once again, the ****ing argument is about reactions. Snape had from when Harry started screaming out his attack to after the attack left the wand to react to it.


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Precog was working fine, what was effected was the Jedi ability to see the future.


no expression .......

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Precognition
the alleged ability to foresee future events


They're...the same thing......


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I already replied to this. Read back a page or two. I'm not replying to your broken routine after thoroughly pwning your ass.


I did. No such reply.


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One second they're there, then BAM they're gone.

Instant.


Watch it again



:57 Liar. The whole thing takes about 3 seconds and you can still see the trainstation background the entire time, showing that they have not moved from the spot.


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LOL no it didn't, man. She saw Tonks flying at her, then she was gone, all in an eyeblink. Denying this won't change it.


Again, you're lying.



:14 She starts to transform (you can actually see her becoming smoke) from the very start of :14 and she completes it at :15

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Uh, yeah.


As I have proven, no.

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Uh, no, not even then.


Becuase Half-apparating has a mystical, totally provable ability to block being sensed with the Force amiright? Fail.

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That'd work, but Snape casts spells faster. yes Denying this won't change it.


Force Speed and Force relexes make you wrong.


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Actually, they were. Video evidence>>>>>>>..your opinion.


Thats funnah! You're funnah! Watch the ****ing scene again!



2:48 Pettigrew casts the Death Spell, Harry goes 'Nooo' like a tard and Cedric gets hit right before 2:50. Time that shit.

9:07 Snape casts the Death Spell, it doesn't hit Dumbledore til right before 9:09. Time that shit.

Video Evidence.

boom.

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K, schnookums


Go sleep on the couch, I'm pissed at you.

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High end feats, babe.


2 Instances of it being slow> 1 of it being fast. That's my story and that's what I'm sticking to.


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K. Instant regen>>>>>>>>>>>TK.


Since this has absolutely nothing to do with the argument or even the repective verses AT ALL then I'm just going to assume that you're either high or insane. Both assumptions explain alot about this post.

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The more powerful the wizard, the more powerful the spell/s. I can't believe I had to tell you that.


Power? Yes. Speed? Prove it.

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Right, and meanhwile Snape spells his ass.


Prove that Snapes spells can rip through Palpatines TK.

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Nah, I explained it quite vividly. Pay attention.


No you havn't. You just say Nevilles head and then repeat.

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Goes right through Nevilles head and Neville is still standing.

Puffs of smoke, shoot one with a shotgun and see what happens. Nothing.


Actually he stumbles sideway. And only the billowing smoke trail goes through his head, not the actual half-apparated wizard.

And reply to the point about them being buffetted. Explain that shit or drop the point.


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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
He doesn't have to be. Thats his many snipers' jobs.
Same as the chief waiting in orbit with space to surface weaponry and fighters too.

(For when Global obliteration by Death Star might be to much)
Mhm, more babble, extra fail on the fail burger.


What I said stands.


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Originally posted by Robtard
I do love how you take it upon yourself when to be the strictest with the 'seen on screen' and when not to be. Before this last HP film your precious Snape wasn't teleporting; yet you argued "it's a wizard power; he's a powerful wizard so he can do it"(though in not as good grammar) and you had him turned into Nightcrawler, but not now you're being Captain Stickler and trying to limit Palpatine to max. Zero objectivity, son.

LoLz, dude. LoLz.
Common sense, dude. If a lesser wizard can do it, he can too. You saying Mace can't do force push? Hmm?


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Screen feats dude.
What you said stands but is still lame.

You want relish on your McBurger?


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Originally posted by Nephthys
Ok.....
Ok.




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Reading......



Reading......



Reading....



Reeeeeaaaaaaddddiiing.....



*Sigh* Still reading.......



Reading......





I'm still reading.....



Done.

So what have we leaned?
Tower of Piza?



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That you're a complete and utter moron who forgot what the **** we were talking about and focused on how far apart they were rather than ther actual point, which was that Jedi CAN attack with the Force using their hightened reflexes, as per the vieo I posted.


But they didn't, man. I can raise my hand and cast a fake force spell as fast as they did. Jedi uber reflexes is shown in sword combat only.




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To spell it out to you for the third ****ing time, this has nothing to do whith how far apart they were!
When it comes to how fast spells travel vs. how fast force attacks travel, it certainly does. In this vid:




The spells are flying damn near instant, far faster than any force attack FROM THAT SAME DISTANCE, and far faster than blaster bolts. In your vid, they were in each others grill. Less distance.



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It doesn't have anything to do with the attack itself or how long it takes to affect their opponent, but its solely about how fast the Jedi/Sith themselves can pull off the attack, by hightening their reflexes.

And a force user has never, not ever, matched what Snape did in the video above. Nor have they used their uber reflexes casting force powers.

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Furthermore, not only have you been being a retard, you've been ****ing laughing in my face the entire ****ing time. Do not do it again. If you disrespect in such a manner one more ****ing time then this conversation is over and I'll be reporting you.
Oh my Truth be told, I'm doing more eye rolling than laughing. Your argument is too sad to laugh at. Report away, I'm doing nothing wrong. YOU'RE the one slinging insults left and right, babe.


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The rest of your 'post' will be dealt with shortly.
No, it won't. It will be replied to, but not dealt with.


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Screen feats dude.
What you said stands but is still lame.

You want relish on your McBurger?
K, I guess you'll argue that Mace Windu can't do force push then?


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Nope. Because Im pretty sure he did so in he did it Attack of the clones.


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Nope. Because Im pretty sure he did so in he did it Attack of the clones.
I don't recall, but IF he didn't, IF he was never shown using force push, and someone said in a vs. thread that he can't, what would your response be?


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Oh my Truth be told, I'm doing more eye rolling than laughing. Your argument is too sad to laugh at. Report away, I'm doing nothing wrong. YOU'RE the one slinging insults left and right, babe.


Thats it. We're done here. This is probably the last time we'll ever talk. Good riddence.


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You have no proof for any of this. Its just you rambling on and generally being fairly dense. What the hell is 'a simple block'? Is Snape a Street Fighter character now? Maybe Harry should try using a downwards A+Sectumsempra combo next time. Or maybe just try button mashing.
A block is what the wizard were woing in the ministry battle:





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You have absolutely no proof for this. But going by what you yourself posted, you're wrong again. Harry's spell niether rebounds, nor does a shield 'erupt from [snapes] wand.' There is nothing to suggest Protego whatsoever.
Doesn't really matter if it was protego or not, what matters is.......see my reply below:

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In short: You have no idea what happened.
Snape showed reaction time blocking and casting spells that a Jedi/Sith cannot match. In under a second Harry cast a spell at Snape, he turned, blocked, cast a spell, and it hit Harry.




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I'm not waving my fist in the air, I'm trying to keep up with your pisspoor attempts at logic. And it does matter what happened before the spell left Harry's wand because once again, the ****ing argument is about reactions. Snape had from when Harry started screaming out his attack to after the attack left the wand to react to it.
What matters is what happened from the spell actually leaving Harry's wand onward.




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no expression .......



They're...the same thing......
No, they're not. See DDM's post on this.




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I did. No such reply.
Then you have the attention span of a testicle.




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Watch it again



:57 Liar. The whole thing takes about 3 seconds and you can still see the trainstation background the entire time, showing that they have not moved from the spot.
3 seconds my ass




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Again, you're lying.



:14 She starts to transform (you can actually see her becoming smoke) from the very start of :14 and she completes it at :15
No, it's instant. You really think by denying this, by altering the timeline to suit your argument, that it will work out for you?



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As I have proven, no.
See what I said above. It's instant.



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Becuase Half-apparating has a mystical, totally provable ability to block being sensed with the Force amiright? Fail.
No, because they'll be moving too damn fast. AND they will be smoke.



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Force Speed and Force relexes make you wrong.
apparition>>>>>>force speed.

force reflexes are only shown in saber combat.


Fact.




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Thats funnah! You're funnah! Watch the ****ing scene again!



2:48 Pettigrew casts the Death Spell, Harry goes 'Nooo' like a tard and Cedric gets hit right before 2:50. Time that shit.

9:07 Snape casts the Death Spell, it doesn't hit Dumbledore til right before 9:09. Time that shit.

Video Evidence.

boom.
lol it shows Cedric on the ground, he plainly gets hit before that, Fail.

And Bellatrix's hit Sirius almost instant.

Funny, you're all hung up on avada kedavra. Avada kedavra will be the killing blow. The spells in the vid? Bullet time fast.



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Go sleep on the couch, I'm pissed at you.
Aw.



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2 Instances of it being slow> 1 of it being fast. That's my story and that's what I'm sticking to.
Mhm, it certainly is a story.




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Since this has absolutely nothing to do with the argument or even the repective verses AT ALL then I'm just going to assume that you're either high or insane. Both assumptions explain alot about this post.
Just returning the favor, babe.



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Power? Yes. Speed? Prove it.
Watch the vid I posted.



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Prove that Snapes spells can rip through Palpatines TK.
Oh my, you went there.......

Prove Sidious can tear through a protego.
Prove Sidious can keep Snape from mind ****ing him.
Prove the force can block magic.

You really wanna go with this?



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No you havn't. You just say Nevilles head and then repeat.
Because that's what happened.



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Actually he stumbles sideway. And only the billowing smoke trail goes through his head, not the actual half-apparated wizard.
And if the wizard was tangible, Neville would have been knocked down.

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And reply to the point about them being buffetted. Explain that shit or drop the point.
Did. Pay attention.


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Thats it. We're done here. This is probably the last time we'll ever talk. Good riddence.
Buh bye.


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"No" under MVF rules.
Rules that allow for common sense and logic. McClane would kick ass with a shotgun, Blade is lethal with a bowie knife, Bob Swagger kicks ass with an AK......with me?


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