It's not an unbacked accusation, I know for a fact that people in my country, where all gambling is prohibited, gamble online and pay for it with credit cards - visa and mastercard. I also know how common that is in other countries from both speaking with people that live in them and seeing discussions about it online. They do nothing to stop it. I wonder why Wikileaks get differential treatment. The fact that the companies are acting out of political pressure is just self-evident, call it an unbased assumption or atatck all you want though.
Racking up the poor quality posts again there, I see. You really need to apply yourself better in these things. If you genuinely think there are no such legal experts, or that you have found many who think the opposite as opposed to there not being any who think it is so, you are just in fairy land., Again, this is a complete logical breakdown due to the emotive nature of the issue.
And like I say, take it up with the credit card companies. You are still being irrelevant if you bring in a moral argument.
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Oh good lord, there is so much wrong with that statement that I'm not even going to bother- you are clearly not interested in a rational discourse. You go on thinking what you think; my points above remain true.
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But you haven't given any citations to prove your obviously controversial claim. Why should he believe that it's true? After all it's simple and positive so supporting it should be trivial if it has any merit.
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Assange’s Legal Team Offered to Pay $280,000 in Bail
this, to me, reeks of suspiscion. considering asange was only wanted for questioning, the idea that he couldn't be out on bail during his extradition procedure, especially with people willing to speak on his behalf, sort of pushes this into very questionable territory.
Sure, it is only another oddity on top of an already strange prosecution, but at what point do we say, "ok, everything isn't as it seems"
whatever you want to call what it is I'm interested in, the fact remains, I've provided many links throughout this thread that pertain to possible legal action against Wikileaks, including a video where an American lawyer talks about why not only the espionage charge, but also the stolen property charge, would be extremely difficult to pursue for the american gov.
your point about Visa's action being legally motivated is answered simply by this, Wikileaks has broken no law, nor have they been charged with anything. The moral point is simply that, they are willing to stand up for the rights of pornographers, who aren't breaking laws, to recieve payments, yet they do not support the rights of an organization supporting freedom of infomation, who have not been found guilty or even charged under any laws, to recieve the same payments.
but, please feel free to continue what you think is a rational discourse.
the entire article is well written, and does provide a balanced look at what the consequences of anonymous might be, and how it relates to what Wikileaks is trying to do
EDIT: just to add, wikileaks has formally distanced itself from Anonymous and the attacks
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According to the Espionage Act, he may actually be in some trouble with the yanks for spying.
Now I've got to go back to terrorising Prince Charles.
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interesting. It still doesn't answer why the espionage act might apply to Asange, especially considering he didn't retrieve the documents himself, but acted as an receptical for such documents
also, that one of the women went to the hospital after allegedly being attacked by Asange, or that they are both employed by wikileaks makes that whole thing more convoluted. Either there is some truth to their claim (or at least, the 2 women actually do think he assaulted them) or there is a plot far deeper against Asange.
More on this latter part later, I have an exam shortly, though, this article does sort of imply that such a plot isn't an unreasonable accusation against the American government. Placing 2 women inside of the Wikileaks organization is not a very difficult tactic for an intelligence agency
no, i do see the advantages, at this point its more of understanding how it is going to interact with my browsers and all that. tbh, i just havent had time to give it even a once over
besides, as far as computers go, Im already paranoid enough to not really use them for anything important. I have no money, so identity theft isn't a real concern, and as far as the illegal activity I do engage in, it would be easier to have someone tail me for a day than to check my interwebs
oooooo, someone is going to find out I'm a disgusting pervert, lol
They're referring to some of the activists as 'hi-tech criminals' and/or 'cyber-criminals'.
Lol, I mean they are using botnets and hacking computers I just thought the term was funny.
On a side note, this seems to show that Anonymous has turned into a more political movement.
Also found it interesting that a 16 year old Dutch boy was arrested by authorities for possibly being involved in the "attacks".
A message posted on the 4chan image board, out of which Anonymous has grown, suggests dropping LOIC in favour of publicising information in the diplomatic cables that Wikileaks is releasing
Instead of "attacking" websites, they'd be releasing and publishing the leaks to a larger audience.
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