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AuraAngel
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Because of Kamui, Naruto's only option is to use a clone immediately to dodge it. This fight won't last long.

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Dec 7th, 2010 12:49 AM

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menokokoro
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well, wait, I may be wrong, but doesn't kakashi know how to release the gates too?

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Dec 8th, 2010 01:34 AM

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Demonic Phoenix
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In canon, he's only shown opening the first gate.

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menokokoro
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awesome! so he SHOULD know more, but we dont KNOW if he can...thats lame. If he can open all, or even 5 (isn't that what lee did in the exams?) he would win easily.

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Sage Mode Naruto would crush five Gates. >=(

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AuraAngel
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Sage Mode Naruto would crush five Gates. >=(

Indeed. With 1 finger. Problem is I don't know if he'd be able to react to it fast enough. Kakashi had to use his sharingan to keep up with it.

Dec 8th, 2010 04:39 AM

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awesome! so he SHOULD know more, but we dont KNOW if he can...thats lame. If he can open all, or even 5 (isn't that what lee did in the exams?) he would win easily.

Why should he know more? The first gate is just the front lotus... Lee learned that long before he learned reverse lotus.

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Why should he know more? The first gate is just the front lotus... Lee learned that long before he learned reverse lotus.

well, the way I saw it is that Kakashi learned to release the gates from Lee, so along with that, the 5th gate. and its been a while since that point in time, so thats why I think even further.

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Indeed. With 1 finger. Problem is I don't know if he'd be able to react to it fast enough. Kakashi had to use his sharingan to keep up with it.

But Naruto has one of the fastest speed feats while in Sage Mode.

It isn't exactly defined at which is faster: Sage Mode or 5-Gates Lee/Gai.

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menokokoro
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Also, we don't know if that is the reason he used his sharengan, i just thought it was so he could learn the gates

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But Naruto has one of the fastest speed feats while in Sage Mode.

It isn't exactly defined at which is faster: Sage Mode or 5-Gates Lee/Gai.

I'm aware of this.

Being faster doesn't really mean much. 5-Gates was a super fast attack that Kakashi had to observe with his sharingan.

I have no doubt that Naruto in Sage Mode could keep up with it. I do doubt that he'll be able to react fast enough.

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Also, we don't know if that is the reason he used his sharengan, i just thought it was so he could learn the gates

If he could recognize the gates, why would he need to copy it? He's clearly seen it before and could have copied it then.

Then there is Neji also using the Byakugan to keep up with it while also being surprised. And he can't exactly copy it.

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Dec 8th, 2010 11:37 AM

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boo Kakashi wins, end of story.

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menokokoro
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If he could recognize the gates, why would he need to copy it? He's clearly seen it before and could have copied it then.

Then there is Neji also using the Byakugan to keep up with it while also being surprised. And he can't exactly copy it.

Why do you say that he "clearly" has seen it before? Just cuz he recognized it doesn't mean he has seen it, he could have known about it and then connected the dots when he saw lee.

Neji? really? you are comparing Gennin Neji, with byakugan which isn't an eye technique to copy techs, to Jonin++ Kakashi who is famous for copying techniques with his Sharengan? Neji isn't as experienced as Kakashi, so of course he would have to use his eyes to keep up, Gai didn't have to use an eye tech to keep up, nor did the Jounin reff or the Hokage.

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well, the way I saw it is that Kakashi learned to release the gates from Lee, so along with that, the 5th gate. and its been a while since that point in time, so thats why I think even further.

He was Gai's rival and friend for years, the idea that he had never seen the technique used before is, imo, ludicrous.

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Dec 8th, 2010 11:21 PM

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Sage Mode Naruto would crush five Gates. >=(

you keep saying this, but can naruto automatcially activate it at will with no time in between? iirc, i dont think he can, and during this time it wont be much trouble for kakashi to use lightning blade.

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menokokoro
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He was Gai's rival and friend for years, the idea that he had never seen the technique used before is, imo, ludicrous.

Why is that ludicrous? They weren't on a team together, they never seriously fought, I'm not saying that there is no way he could have seen it, I'm just saying it's not far off to say he hadn't until then. ALSO! We don't know if the writer thought of that either, and really, thats all that matters in this argument.

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Sage Mode Naruto would crush five Gates. >=(

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But Naruto has one of the fastest speed feats while in Sage Mode.

It isn't exactly defined at which is faster: Sage Mode or 5-Gates Lee/Gai.

7 Gates Gai blows Sage Mode Naruto out of the water.