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Are soldiers 'heroes'
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Weren't you just trying to argue with me that there wasn't a connection there?


There is a difference between a draft and mandatory service. But, in this thread, I don't recall addressing you, at all.

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Yes, obviously you have to be an American to be a hero. If all soldiers are heroes, then why should that only apply to Americans?


It could had meant others as well.I was just stating a fact. smile


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Originally posted by skekUng
Since it is the option of an individual American citizen to serve in the military, then they are no more heroes than are any other person who applies for a job and is accepted for hte position. It isn't the job that makes someone a hero, it's how a person acts in a given situation.

As Bill Maher has said, we consider firefighters, police officers and soldiers heroes because they work cheap, and we shold pay them accordingly if we really consider them the heroes we hold them out to be.
If we believe that it's how a person acts in a given situation that makes them a hero then we believe that firefighters, police, and soldiers are not heroes, just employees or charity workers.

If we don't believe that they are heroes to begin with then it's contradictory to say that we hold them out to be heroes. smokin'


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If we believe that it's how a person acts in a given situation that makes them a hero then we believe that firefighters, police, and soldiers are not heroes, just employees or charity workers.

If we don't believe that they are heroes to begin with then it's contradictory to say that we hold them out to be heroes. smokin'


Deployed soldiers, as well as fire fighters and teachers and nurses, are held out to be heroes, by virtue of their career choice. But simply being a soldier does not make one a hero. What they do in the situations presented by such a career choice is why I said they have the greatest potential to be heroes.

I clearly said we are told they are heroes, and many like yourself seem to believe they are simply because they chose to become fire fighters. Being a soldier doesn't mean you'll act heroic, simply because you are in a situation where they have the opportunity to act heroic.

Your argument doesn't make any sense to me.

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It could had meant others as well.I was just stating a fact. smile

The "fact" you stated was that all soldiers are heroes. You then said that this didn't include Nazis. Therefore, it wasn't a "fact" at all, it was nonsense.


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Deployed soldiers, as well as fire fighters and teachers and nurses, are held out to be heroes, by virtue of their career choice. But simply being a soldier does not make one a hero. What they do in the situations presented by such a career choice is why I said they have the greatest potential to be heroes.

I clearly said we are told they are heroes, and many like yourself seem to believe they are simply because they chose to become fire fighters. Being a soldier doesn't mean you'll act heroic, simply because you are in a situation where they have the opportunity to act heroic.

Your argument doesn't make any sense to me.
It doesn't make sense because I repeated your argument. What you clearly said was that we hold these people to be heroes because they work cheap. Your view is the same as Bill Maher according to your post. That statement starkly contradicts your previous and current one that a job title does not make a person a hero, period.

I'd like for you to quote my post that says that they ARE heroes. I stated that ANY person who is willing to sacrifice themselves to serve and protect their countrymen is HEROIC. Look up the word if you still don't understand. smokin'


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It doesn't make sense because I repeated your argument. What you clearly said was that we hold these people to be heroes because they work cheap. Your view is the same as Bill Maher according to your post. That statement starkly contradicts your previous and current one that a job title does not make a person a hero, period.

I'd like for you to quote my post that says that they ARE heroes. I stated that ANY person who is willing to sacrifice themselves to serve and protect their countrymen is HEROIC. Look up the word if you still don't understand. smokin'


I said that some of us do, because we are told they are heroes.

No, I didn't say we hold them out to be heroes because they work cheap. Bill Maher said it. The point is that we hold them out to be heroes and then pay them crap wages. He guessed they might be heroes because they work cheap and get treated like crap. So to justify their crap wages, we call them heroes. I'm pretty sure you understood that.

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I'd say that if a person is willing to sacrifice themselves to serve and protect their countrymen then they are a heroic person.

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The "fact" you stated was that all soldiers are heroes. You then said that this didn't include Nazis. Therefore, it wasn't a "fact" at all, it was nonsense.


Whatever and it is a fact. smile


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Whatever and it is a fact. smile


But do you think that Nazi-, and Taliban- and Sovietsoldiers are heroes?


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All those doobie smoking emoticons... you must be stoned off your ass.
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As Bill Maher has said, we consider firefighters, police officers and soldiers heroes because they work cheap....


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No, I didn't say we hold them out to be heroes because they work cheap. Bill Maher said it.


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The point is that we hold them out to be heroes....


What am I supposed to think? Are you doing this by accident? I happened to read King Kandys post where you where arguing against something that you said. If this is how you normally discuss things then I can't take you seriously.


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What am I supposed to think? Are you doing this by accident? I happened to read King Kandys post where you where arguing against something that you said. If this is how you normally discuss things then I can't take you seriously.


Pssss You can't take her seriously...


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What am I supposed to think? Are you doing this by accident? I happened to read King Kandys post where you where arguing against something that you said. If this is how you normally discuss things then I can't take you seriously.


I could imagine that she used we in the meaning of "we as society" rather than "we, and I as one of we support that view". In that light her points seem to make sense.


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Pssss You can't take her seriously...
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I think she makes some good points across the point actually, in a quite civil and intellectual manner.


In fact I thought she was chill at first. no expression


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