No, stories are narratives about protaganists and/or antagonists, even if they are not actual "characters." Your main character can be the wind or a spoon.
I know about the above but the last paragraph, I disagree with. There is no muddled character develop for Anakin. It's very clear and is established over the course of 3 films, similar to Luke's.
As far as that tieng into the story, long term, it would appear that he intended to lose Maul, the entire time: the problem was his replacement.
He had not finalized what he wanted to do with the replacement.
And, GL was very much "all over the place" with the OT, as well. It took him a bit to cement things for both trilogies as he went along. He had a general idea for the OT, but his plot ideas varied greatly. Similar to the PT, but much less so for the PT.
I seem to remember, though, GL having the story better written for the PT than he did the OT beacuse he didn't want to make similar mistakes he made with the OT. He left things vague or uncertain, sure, but that was more logisitc that functional. I think a lot of that had to do with marketing, to be honest. But, the PT's plot was quite solid compared to the OT's. I think part of that was due to the "end" being known already.
Of course GL was all over the place in the OT. The development of ROTJ is a tremendous mess; I can talk about it at length. The PT may well have been more formed- aside from anything else, ROTJ was episode 9 brought forward by three films- but certainly things like Qui-Gon, Dooku, Grievous and even the reason Anakin fell were developed as he went along- all quite important plots! So I think the grand plan was quite barebones. That's not a criticism, btw.
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THat's ridiculours. Spoons or wind have no will, have no development (unless you humanise them as Disney does, as PIxar does with toys etc - the key word here is humanise BTW). That absolutely makes no sense at all. But it explains why you like the very mechanical way the PT is made.
I do actually. I even have the original theatrical TPM on VHS as well, and AOTC on VHS...
And I will buy the Blu Ray.
Don't get me wrong: I don't abhor the PT. But in comparison to the OT, the limitations of the OT at the time and the quality they produced at the time, vs. the limitationless circumstances the PT was made and its flawed storyline and character development, I think SW deserved much better.
I'm still a fan though. It's like family. Even though a family member may do stupid things, I can diagree with their actions without disowning them or anything.
How did Sean Connery say it in First Knight: I can't love a man in slices? (or more accurately: I cannot love a man in slisscccchhhhessscchhhhhh...)
I see what you are saying but I'm a little confused how you have so many negative comments and still own the films. I really liked the the first 2 alien films and even owned 3 and 4 on VHS for a while but when I got older and wiser and upgraded to DVD I tossed 3 and 4 and never replaced them cause they suck!
Lucas did his best and for what it was the movies were excellent. And on par with the OT for entertainment value.
I have a Sean connery quote for you.
"Your best? Loshers always whine about their best, winners go home and phuck the prom queen"
Who cares about completing a box set? Especially with star wars. Cause you can watch the OT and be done with it! Even alien and aliens you can stop at aliens if you wish or alien
But the amount of complaining people do about the flaws I'm surprised that they can own something they think is so flawed.
Well, I am one of those people who do collect stuff for completion purposes. I try to collect all movies by my favourite directors for instance, even though not every movie by them is so great. But I can learn from it, understand why they chose the script and to see where it kinda failed. It helps me understand movies and cinematic storytelling. Not only is it my hobby, it's my work as well.
And I do have all Alien movies, the Quadrilogy and the Anthology on Blu Ray. And surprise surprise, it includes the Alien3 director's cut which is rather good, much better than the theatrical edition and certainly much better than the seriously flawed Alien Resurrection.
And so Alien Resurrection ends up in the completion purposes section: a) to complete the Alien series and b) to complete ,my collection of the excellent director Jean-Pierre Jeunet (City of Lost Children, Amelie, Delicatessen).
And to be honest, it took me a few years to get over the disappointment in the PT. But now I am in acceptance.
I like them because they are SW, ROTS gave me the greatest SW feeling back. ROTS even made TPM better. So it's like Lance said: I like them (because they are SW) but they don't live up to the glory days of SW (ANH, ESB) and they certainly don't live up to the virtually limitless circumstances these movies were made, unlike the originals. And frankly, for Lucas there is no excuse for that. He had money to do anything, hire the best writers, some of the best film makers in the world are his best friends... But it seems Lucas is a very nice guy, nobody dares or wants to contradict him. That was certainly different in the OT days of ANH and ESB. And it shows.
K thats fine I do think a lot of these directors as they get older start going a little nuts. Like Lucas a spielberg. I remember at one point in Indy 4 either Lucas or Spielberg said they dared anyone to distinguish old Indy to new Indy.
I too like to have a complete series, But for me if a movie sucks I'm more than likely not going to get it. Like alien 3 and 4, or for star trek I don't own 5 7 9 or 10 and I dont know if Kirk went out like a pansy. even tv shows I'm the same and only have season 1 and 2 cause 3 and 4 went down hill. But for Sarah Conner I wish they would bring that back
Well, Jeunet made some great films after Alien4... I think he just did it for the Hollywood experience.
I don't collect Star Trek. I do own the last revamp by Abrams, I liked that. But if I were a Star Trek fan, I'd prolly get them all.
I do make an exception though. I like Superman - the Movie very much,I have Superman II - The Donner Cut but I don't have 3 and 4... They were too much off. I did get me Superman Returns though... but that was more for the kids than for me... And a little for Bryan Singer.
We are in the same boat with superman I like 1 (although now it is extremely out dated) and superman 2 the donner cut (the original was terrible and the whole niagra falls thing was just crap. I know Clark is suppose to be clutzy, but seriously Lois finds out you are superman by tripping on a rug and you don't burn your hand? Seriously? You are superman you can't stop yourself?
Superman returns was bad the only good thing was Brandon routh and stopping the plane in the stadium (the stuff with the plane surviving going Mach 1 was just stupid)
And Superman the Movie is only outdated effectswise. It still has outstanding performances and the pre-Metropolis scenes (Krypton and Smallville) have some of the best photography ever. And rarely do I see that quality. (The Metrolopolis scenes have a very different visual style, more documentary, quite daring to combine two styles like that).
There's a lot filmmakers can learn from this film.
I would say the effects are still really good (except maybe the dam sequence
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The thing that bothers me is the clothing is very 70's but I can look past that when that pimp says "say Jim... That's a bad outfit"
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Feb 2nd, 2011 10:16 PM
I do think a lot of these directors as they get older start going a little nuts. Like Lucas a spielberg. I remember at one point in Indy 4 either Lucas or Spielberg said they dared anyone to distinguish old Indy to new Indy.
