I said it before but I guess I'll say it again in here just to get my two cents in
I think there are feats, which are needed, but an understanding of characters as well. With a good balance between the two.
To kind of make my point I'm going to use three different character with three different levels of speed. Thor, Superman, Hulk. Each one will demonstrate a different aspect I want to convey. I will save Thor for the last because he will tie it up real nicely.
First off I'm gonna go with the Hulk. In his long storied history his level of speed has been pretty well defined. He is not a speedster by any stretch of the imagination and he will always be depicted as such. Yeah he has been able to run fast but we've always seen it stated as what it is. Basically marginally superhuman and his reflexes have always been the same. He has no feats and its not in his characterization to have them either plus he would use it if he could because is just that limited in his powerset. So I would not attribute him has having anything close to the speed needed to take on the Flash.
Superman now on the other hand. He has feats upon feats to show why he has amazing speed. His characterization is such that he holds back but he is a brawler as well. He is more limited in how he can handle situations so he won't always use his speed but when things aren't going his way he is more liable to use it when he needs to because his options are more limited then say a Silver Surfer.
Now for Thor. He does not have as many speed feats as Superman but he does have more than the Hulk. They just happen to be far more spread out. But his feats can speak for themselves. He has microsecond reaction feats. He has dealt with speedsters before. His trench digging feat. His running through the park feat, his bullet /dart stopping feat. Even recently he was able to take down Quicksilver with ease and have QS at his mercy. He also recently appeared to appear directly infront of a fleeing kid loki. He also has senses that are far beyond simple meta/street level ability.
He has feats but his characterization is a little different then Superman. Like Superman he holds back but unlike Superman who is a brawler Thor has more exotic and more Thor like way of dealing with a situation that doesn't allow him to have to depend on using blinding speed. So there will be a natural slant in the number of feats Thor will have compared to Superman cause Thor has more outs and more outs that seem in character for him. So Superman more likely to use speed, Thor more likely to bust out the godly powers but they have both used superspeed at a very high level when need be.
So based on everthing above I would ranks these characters as such.
Superman will always have the superior feats to Thor cause he needs it more than Thor does and its more in character for him to do so. But they are both obviously greater than Hulk based on feats.
That's what I feel to be the best balance when determining things like speed.
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Last edited by Newjak on Apr 26th, 2011 at 01:59 PM
It's a decent one. Eric used his mace but he no doubt tracked the bullet. It should be noted his mace was a poor mans version of Mjolnir. He simply tosses it and hangs on for dear life as he use to say. He couldn't even change his speed I believe.
And this was wasn't Masterson Thor, this is his downgraded Thunderstrike incarnation.
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Thor has about two more similar feats where he snatches a tank shell and later on a missile out of the air.
Do you still take the stance that Thor is peak human at best?
They are still human, no? I understand why it'd be more impressive than Thor throwing a single blow but based on what I posted, and Thor's trench feat, he can operate at those levels. It'll just never happen in a running time sequence. Worst case scenario like I said, is that he can tag Logan with his blows if he moves at faster-than-tracking levels.
The same thing I said to BH.
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How can it be used as proof....when you haven't proven that the feet requires beyond human speed?
No, he took them out fast enough to leave after-images....leaving after-images is something both NW and DD have done.
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Maybe we will get some legitimate Thor speed feats in Mighty Thor 2 when he throws down with Surfer. SS seemed to be putting on the speed in the preview at least.
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Yeah, I meant Thunderstrike. It's a decent feat for, as you said, a poor man's mjolnir. As for Superman, you should add two or three more >'s. Thor lags far behind him.
Maybe not 90% and I think percent is a bad way to describe it.
Let's jsut say if Superman and Thor were going all out.
Superman's speed dial would be at an 11 or 12.
Thor's would be at a 9.
Superman is obviously better but I think Thor can deal with it. Which has always been my stance.
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Ok I think I demonstrated the level of difference when I wrote my Superman vs Thor battle in the rain. When Superman was going full speed the rain stopped completely when Thor did it the rain became a slow slow crawl to demonstrate the difference I feel in their senses but that Thor could still react and comprehend Superman as an object.
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Last edited by Newjak on Apr 26th, 2011 at 03:00 PM
but by definition they aren't superhumans just like you claim cassandra isn't by definition
your arrogance is funny, I read all his tiles and have done so for a while
seryously, are you trying not to understand the point? it makes no ****ing difference if elektra capitain america and cassandra are defined as peak humans they can match or exceed logan's feats which is all that matters. wolverine's speed isnt beyond wat peak humans pull off ona regular basis in comics. even batman who is slower than cass and elektra can match logan's feats. cassie's blitzing feats are pretty much the best in the non-speedster class btw
scans? and why do you assume dodging a tank shell is more impressive? he's been arround a lot longer than she has. her blitzing is more frequent in relative terms and more consistent.
nobody is saying she isnt a peak human. were sayign logan has nothing that puts him beyond peak humans in the reaction speed departament.
yeah, you just cant understand what is in the pretty pictures and then talk out of your ass when half the forum shows you that peak humans can match or exceed all of logan's supposedly superhuman reaction feats.
On paper, the difference between Clark and Thor is huge. In practice? I think JLA/Avengers illustrated what I'd expect for the most part. Just the way comics work I guess.
hulk's reaction feats are very bit as good as thor's and while they can both react with superhuman speed and calculate trajectories etc very well, neither of them are speedsters. superman is above them both in reaction and general motion/flight speed. he is a true speedster.
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Apr 26th, 2011 01:45 PM
nobody is saying she isnt a peak human. were sayign logan has nothing that puts him beyond peak humans in the reaction speed departament. 
