however, even if we give carver the benefit of the doubt on interpretation, its a bulletdodging feat, and Wolverine, afaik, doesn't really have over ~supersonic speed feats
In fact, him rushing the guy as a blur and taking off his hand, before the shooter could notice, is a way, way, waaaaaaaaaaaay better speed feat
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Especially in Marvel where you don't use numbers, hence why the never ending argument with speed on certain characters exist. They "seem" to be about as fast, but who is really faster? I go to characterization at this point.
You'd have to quantify it. A statement isn't everything. Thor fights beings that move through hyperspace, but if Earth depended on him to save it, and the enemy was Wolverine..he'd lose because he isn't fast enough? Sounds bogus. Beta Ray bill fought Surfer AT hyperspeed (well, apparantly) and if you call Thor his equal, you have to assume he's faster than Logan and Pete all round by a long way.
But writer empathy is the strongest force in comics. Black Panthers armbar, and woverine out striking Thor..can they be considered the same? Put in place to fill panels? No one likes a 1 page comic.
I just think based on Logan's long history of just tanking bullets, it's far more likely the dude just missed. You can clearly see that the bullet grazed Logan. He also wasn't looking at the bullet when it flew by but looking back at the shooter.
Yea, he covers a decent amount of distance making it a good feat. Wolverine should be as fast a blur to humans if he wants to be. Enough feats to justify that.
Actauly that not true at all. several of them have been suggested as fast before and almost all the ones who have superhuman stats have been stated to be as fast. Honestly think you just kinda came up with that to discredit wolverine matching spiderman and his rogues speed.
yea and what about it? Wolverine jumped straight up in the air at spidy who he never at contact with before and got hit. Fact you think that evidence to dismiss wolverien constantly matching spiderman is just .
Not even remotely close. Your pretty much trying to pretend there is the same gap between wolverine and spiderman as flash and superman? dude that straight up delusional. Facy. Yes I say fact becayse there is so much evidence to support my side of the arguement and almost nothing for yours.
Wolverine matches his feats
Wolverine matches him when they fought which was a number of times
Spiderman question his speed against Wolverine.
Wolverine match spiderman rogues speed and beaten the shit out most of them.
Spiderman foughten and been match by wolverines rogues in speed.
Wolverine even matches spiderman speed when the fight with eachother, numerous times in new x-men.
I trying to figure out how you came to the conclusion that superman and flash is comparable to the gap between wolverine and spiderman, it Bullshit will full thinking on your part truth. If that came off mean I am sorry.
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Or, it could be a case of writers just being that damn stupid.
Thor reduced to ~peak human-low meta would have ~peak human-low meta speed, yet Thor as a high end class one hundred suddenly can't move the weight of his body any faster than ~peak human-low meta?
Make no mistake, Thor rightfully SHOULD be able to dance around any street leveler, because of his strength. But its because of his strength that he is made (relatively) slow. blah.
we have no idea how fast that energy is moving, so it really doesn't suggest that wolverine has reflexes that can react to things moving at close to the speed of sound
we do know how fast bullets move. and if your interpretation of the scan you posted is correct, Wolverine would have to, litterally, be comparably fast to a Classic Quicksilver (or am I wrong, I thought he was just around speed of sound fast...?).
Further, all heroes dodge bullets, and a huge number of them don't have comparable speed feats outside of that.
What the scans do show is that woverine is much faster than a normal human, probably enough so to call it a super-power, but certainly not fast enough to be a character who could legitimately dodge bullets.
also, 5 times for wolverine isn't much.... it would be, iirc, less than .1% of his appearances... [comicvine]
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Only ones off of the top of my head that are "as fast" are Venom and Carnage (who is faster). Not to mention he dodges Carnage without SS and is faster than Wolverine.
Batman, Wolverine, Robin, have "similar" speed feats. Doesn't make them as fast, Spider-Man's characterization is his speed. Not to mention he has better ones.
Wolverine said Spider-Man could break his neck, so what? Spider-Man always doubts himself.
He beat his bad guys? Again has nothing to do with speed and more to do with healing and plot devices. Ock, arguably Goblin, Venom, Carnage, Sandman, Hydroman would cream Wolverine on the forum.
I made a thread about this. The vast majority of the forum agreed, except for 3 members... hmmm.
The Superman and Flash thing was a similarity comparsion. The gap is bigger between Flash and Superman and absolute numbers since they are much faster, it's like 90 vs 150 and 10 billion vs 15 billion. Larger overall numbers but it got my point across.
At the end of the day speed is hard to quantify, which is proven by this never-ending argument.
My point wasn't to put Wolverine on Quicksilver level, it was to show that his speed is superior to Thors and that he is a true speedster (when he wants to be).
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